The decision to buy stock in a company is fairly straightforward. Is it a great business? Is it trading at a significant margin of safety (MOS)? Am I confident in my valuation and assessment? Answer "yes" to those questions and you're on your way to business ownership.
But when do you sell?
I've had, in some fashion, the following question e-mailed to me a number of times:
When would you exit? Maybe when the stock trades close to current intrinsic value, but isn't it supposed to go up 15% per annum from there since I'm using the 15% discount?
There is only one reason to ever sell your stock—when you find better value elsewhere. Allow me to explain:
Put your money where you'll get the best value—be it in a business, bonds, cash, real estate, or anything. Value is a combination of potential growth and capital preservation. As Buffett says,
The first rule is not to lose. The second rule is not to forget the first rule.
Rule #1: Never lose money. Rule #2: Never forget rule No.1.
Two rules: 1. Preserve the principal. 2. When in doubt see Rule #1.
It all adds up to one thing: Half of investing is growth; half is not losing money in the process. When investing in businesses, your company should be offering enough growth and enough safety that you don't have to feel stressed or concerned. In fact, you should feel absolute confidence and comfort.
When buying businesses at a discount, you are predicting the future. If you are right—or somewhat right—the price should eventually get close to, or exceed, the business' intrinsic value. But, you have to be right.
Deciding whether or not to sell when the price meets the value is more a question of the quality of the business vs. the desire to take profits. If you own a truly wonderful, nearly invincible business, you'll likely want to hold onto it because you can reasonably expect the company to continue to grow—steadily and consistently.
If you don't own one of the greatest businesses in the world, you may find more value in selling and finding another business. Yes—the 15% discount rate should give you a price that would allow you to earn 15% for the long term. Still, your business would have to perform exactly as (or better than) you projected.
The MOS does two things: It enhances your returns and it helps shield you from losses. When a great business is priced around its value, it is because the value is based on certain expectations which may or may not be realized.
Consider the following: You expect your business to grow at 14%, but it actually grows at 10%. When you buy this business at a 50% MOS, you will likely profit (though not as much as expected) and be able to sell when you realize that growth has slowed and you overpaid.
But, if you buy (or own) that business at a fair price based on an expected 14% growth rate, but the actual value is less because of slowed growth, the price will likely follow the value—down.
When discussing the crash of the early 2000s, most people assume that irrational exuberance and accounting scandals meant that there was no way to avoid losses or profit through it all. But what really happened in the early 2000s? Price followed value.
Adobe Systems: Wonderful business, rapid grower, industry leader, cash generator. Here's a PDF (29kb) (consequently, an Adobe PDF) of Adobe Systems from 1993 to 2007. As a stock trader and shareholder, you would have been shocked, disgusted, and perhaps burned by Adobe's 70%+ drop from late 2000 to late 2002.
As a business owner buying with a large MOS, you would have bought Adobe in late 1998—when the market was valuing the then $6 billion business for $2.5 billion. Had you sold in 1999 when the price met the company's value, you would have had about a 100% annual return.
If you held the business because it was wonderful, you would have known it was grossly overpriced and that it would likely have dropped, but you would still have had:
How confident are you in your companies? If your data and reasoning tells you that you have predicted, with a degree of certainty, the future of your business and you think that it is offering you the best value—hang in there. If not, sell and go find better value elsewhere.
Just remember: Your return is directly tied to your prediction of the value of your company. If your company is fairly priced, it had better be wonderful or you're taking big risks. That's no fun, is it?
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Sanjay Shetty
Sep 20th, 2007
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Joe Ponzio
Sep 20th, 2007
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You should check up on the value of your companies each year. Though businesses tend to change slowly and you can't hold your business accountable for one bad year, you do want to be able to spot problems in owner earnings before they show up as problems in revenues and net income a year or two later.
Buy-and-hold doesn't mean buy-and-forget, it means buy-and-let-time-do-its-thing. Time will reward good businesses and penalize bad ones. You need to know if your companies ever cross that threshold.
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AF
Sep 27th, 2007
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Casey Mattson
Sep 27th, 2007
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Joe Ponzio
Sep 27th, 2007
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What happens if the stock price never drops to a deep discount again? What if you expect your company to continue to grow rapidly - consistently and comfortably? If, after having bought Coca-Cola in 1988, Buffett had sold in 1990 when the company's stock reached and exceeded the business' value, he'd never be able to buy again and he would have missed out on billions of dollars of gains and his now $250 million a year dividends.
My two cents.
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Allen
Oct 8th, 2007
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I have to say, I'm a little disappointed because Joe said that his experience was that it took 1-2 years for a company to become fairly priced, or something of that sort. This was too quick!
I'm not sure what to do now, I guess the details of the sale will determine whether I get cash or get shares, but I was not prepared for this so soon. I was ready to buy and hold for at least 2 years.
My only regret is that I didn't have more cash to invest in September, and that I didn't learn about value investing earlier. Hopefully, this is the start of a successful run in investing!
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Joe Ponzio
Oct 8th, 2007
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I'm a bit confused - did you buy at a steep discount and now your company is being acquired for a fair price? Or, did you not wait for the discount? I guess I'm asking - are you going to pocket a handsome (huge) gain in one month?
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Allen
Oct 9th, 2007
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So, I did get a huge gain in one month, but only percentage-wise, that's why I wish I had more cash in Septemeber to buy. I also didn't have as much confidence as I am new to value investing. But this boosts that confidence up one notch.
So, now I guess I'm going to get cash, as it looks like the company taking over is on a foreign stock exchange. The "bad" part, if you can call it that, is that I didn't want to pay the short-term tax rate, but I don't think I can really get around that now!
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