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The Psychology Of Investing In Stocks

Sep
11

When you buy stock in a company, what do you feel? Anxiety? Excitement? Do you immediately second guess your decision? Or regret it? Let me guess: refresh, refresh, refresh the screen to see if the price has gone up...then check it every chance you get, but no less than daily.

Justin posted this comment about the psychological side of investing:

Joe, I'd like to hear what you think about the psychological side of being an investor, if you run short of ideas. I read a quote the other day that made me laugh. One guy said he could tell he was probably going to make money on an investment if he felt like he was going to throw up when he bought. Now, I'm not in for that extreme. I like a little higher comfort level when I buy, but I think he was referring to staying steady or buying as the price dropped. Anyway, fascinating stuff.

The Psychology of Owning Businesses

When I'm buying stock in a business for the long-term, I feel almost nothing. I know it is a good or great business (it wouldn't get to the valuation stage if it wasn't) and, if I am confident in my valuation because the past has been fairly predictable, I say to myself,

Okay. I know the value. I like the company. Hey, it's at a discount. I'll buy it.

There is no buyer's remorse. In reality, I feel almost nothing. If I'm not 100% confident and comfortable, I don't buy. I know that there are thousands of other companies just waiting to get into my spreadsheet.

Understanding The Timeframe

My research and experience has shown me that, when I buy a business for the long-term, it generally takes 18 to 36 months for its price to reach its intrinsic value. Don't get me wrong: I don't think that 1.5 to 3 years is long term. Still, that is what I have found.

When the prices of my businesses approach or reach their intrinsic values, I decide whether to hold or sell based on the long-term prospects of the business. Some I'll hold; some I'll sell. But that moves us to...

Patience And Psychology

The hardest part of being a silent partner/investor comes in the first few years. People have a naturally tendency to watch the markets and our stock prices, likely because so many people have been so burned for so long that they no longer trust the markets.

Over time, you begin to understand the silent partner concept and begin to see how price and value are correlated. Eventually, it all makes sense. Still, there are phases that (I think) everyone must go through:

This is purely based on my experience, not some well-funded psychological study. Of course, feel free to donate $1 million to me so I can say this was a well-funded study.

The Stages of Silent Partner Psychology

Nervousness/Fear: At this stage, investors tend to doubt their reasoning—especially when the stock price remains flat or drops for weeks or months after buying. Selling now helps perpetuate an endless cycle of market fear and mutual funds.

Fear/Confidence: Assuming you got through stage one, you begin to become confident in your positions as the stock prices creep up towards the business' value. You still have some fear because you are buying other businesses at the same time. Selling here puts you in that "I tried it but it was just like every other system" mode.

Overconfidence: "I'm the greatest investor in the world!" You begin to see how price tends to follow value. At this point, you begin to disregard the business and slap values on every stock out there. Oops—losses ensue because it is too difficult to value businesses when the future of the business is highly uncertain. This system stinks.

Serenity: You review your mistakes and see where you went wrong. All of the sudden, it all makes sense. You go back to Fear/Confidence, and then finally graduate to Serenity (skipping Overconfidence this time). You no longer worry about the markets because there is no stock market.

Can You Speed Up The Process?

The best way to understand and go through the psychology is to run a business for two or three years (or more). That may not be entirely possible for everyone. Buffett has said,

I am a better investor because I am a businessman, and a better businessman because I am an investor.

His mentor, Benjamin Graham, said,

Investment is most intelligent when it is most businesslike.

I say,

Until I ran my own company for a few years—until I had to come up with the cash when times were tough and until I could enjoy the cash when times were good—gambling and investing were synonymous. Today, they are on opposite sides of the world.

And when you understand and visualize that, either through time investing or time running a business, you will find peace in your portfolio.

 

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Very good analysis on common investors' mind. Serenity is indeed a very difficult stage to reach, somwhat like Zen. So I wonder, isn't that Buffett is like a Zen monk?

by Lethe on September 16, 2007 at 9:05 PM
I think the psychological aspects of investing are much under appreciated. We all feel comfortable with analysis and the perceived "science" of the investment process. And yet it is the occasional "madness" of the markets which present the greatest opportunities. I think people like Buffett, Pabrai and others are great investors as much as because they simply have their heads firmly screwed on as any other reason. Focus, coolness, the right balance of confidence vs arrogance and independence of mind are key qualities.

by Martin on October 2, 2007 at 12:35 PM
I think most investors would benefit greatly from a change in perspective. The problem (for most) is not that their strategy is wrong, it is that they do not fully understand the markets and that these "stocks" are companies. Sure, you can say it until you are blue in the face; still, most people don't know what that means.

If you do not fully comprehend the markets, you can't possibly have a strategy that works consistently - either as a gambler or as a business investor.

by Joe Ponzio on October 2, 2007 at 6:09 PM
Selling lots of good ideas too early (CPL, SDA, TKC...) eventually leads to self awareness of the addiction to activity. So I channel this activity into options and currency trading with a small amount of play money. Small risk and big thrills which doesn't touch the value/buy and forget about it part of a portfolio.
Socrates said: know thyself.

The difference between perceived and real risk (another way of saying high uncertainty, low risk).
Eastern European real estate from the 1990s until now.
Japanese and Malaysian real estate now.

by Lester Golden on October 8, 2007 at 3:53 PM
The right state of mind in the short term is wishing the stock going down.
Because it let you buy some more and demonstrate your belife in previose assumptions.
The worest enemy is yorself.
Pabrai bought DFC around 9$,now it is 5.38$ and he increas his stake.
Can you do the same?

by mm on October 23, 2007 at 11:17 AM
mm,

I can't, at least not yet!

by MikeR on October 23, 2007 at 1:18 PM
I love to play poker. In poker, just as with investing, the cardinal rule is: Make the right decision, regardless of the outcome. In the long run, you'll win a lot more than you'll lose.

If DFC was a screaming buy at $9, and the business and outlook hasn't changed, you'd be silly to sell at $5.38—and would probably be right to buy more.

by Joe Ponzio on October 23, 2007 at 10:11 PM

 

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