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How to Value a Commodity

By Joe Ponzio on April 27, 2009  |  12 comments

There is no discounted cash flow method for commodities. They don't pay dividends or bear interest rates; they don't generate cash. Long-term investing in commodities is all about finding opportunities where supply and demand are out of balance and the price is low relative to where it "should" be on an inflation adjusted basis.

With no external forces acting on a commodity price (ie., supply and demand are in balance and the currency doesn't change), commodities prices would move in lockstep with inflation. A 3% increase in inflation would result in a 3% increase in commodities prices.

Of course, this is the real world; so, supply and demand aren't always in balance, currencies fluctuate, and speculators push prices up and down regardless of supply, demand, inflation, and currency fluctuations. And that messes with prices.

The Inflation-Adjusted Price of Copper

To get a good handle on what the price of copper should be, we need to look at the inflation-adjusted price throughout history. In 1946, the US Government lifted their temporary, war-time fix on the price of copper; so, that will be our starting point.

From 1946 through 2008, inflation in the United States averaged 4.07%. If we look at the average annual price of copper in those years, and adjust those prices for inflation, we can look at how the price of copper has changed over the past six decades and get a handle on where it should be in a perfectly balanced world.

The above chart is very telling as to how copper has performed during periods of high inflation, particularly in the early portions of those periods before supply could ramp up to meet demand. (All those juicy, higher prices invited more competition and more mining, calming rising prices.) Ignoring everything else, copper's best returns were during periods of high inflation. When inflation was in check, the commodity performed poorly (relative to other investment options.)

This chart shows the inflation-adjusted price of copper during those times. You can easily spot the points in history when the price of copper got way ahead of where it "should" have been (green line) on an inflation-adjusted basis. (Remember: Copper doesn't get better or worse; it is just there, growing at the rate of inflation if supply and demand are in balance.)

You can also spot times when investing in copper made sense. When it dipped below its inflation adjusted price (the green line, about $2.27 in today's dollars), copper would have been a good investment.

How do the numbers play out?

The Results of Investing In Copper

Let's take a rational approach to investing in copper. Before we buy, we need our purchase to meet a few conditions:

  1. The price is below its inflation-adjusted average at that time (ie., it's cheap);
  2. Supply is falling versus demand (ie., net production, including imports and exports, is less than the previous year's net production).

And, of course, we sell when the price returns to a more rational, inflation-adjusted level, ignoring any really compelling reason to hang on. One such reason, for example, would be that we expect high inflation which would naturally serve to increase the inflation-adjusted "normal" price and give us a higher selling point; but, we'll just do this blindly for now.

Keep in mind: This is not about speculating where copper will be in a few days or months. Rather, it's an investment based on the laws of economics.

So, we're buying in 1957, 1958, 1960, 1961, and 1965. Then, we sell in 1969, when the price gets back to "normal." (We don't speculate that a bubble would develop and then try to ride it up. We make cold, rational business decisions.)

Of course, we're using annual figures here; but, you would have been able to dance in and out a little more if you were watching the price more closely.

  Purchase Price
of Copper
Sale Price
of Copper
Gain (Loss)
(Cumulative)
Annualized
Return
Dow Jones
Annualized Return
1957$0.2999$0.474358%4%5%
1958$0.2613$0.474382%6%5%
1960$0.3216$0.474347%4%4%
1961$0.3014$0.474357%6%3%
1965$0.3235$0.474347%10%-1%

You would have bought copper again in 1978, only to sell a year later:

  Purchase Price
of Copper
Sale Price
of Copper
Gain (Loss)
(Cumulative)
Annualized
Return
Dow Jones
Annualized Return
1978$0.6653$0.927539%39%4%

And again in 1984 and 1985, selling in 1988:

  Purchase Price
of Copper
Sale Price
of Copper
Gain (Loss)
(Cumulative)
Annualized
Return
Dow Jones
Annualized Return
1984$0.6877$1.226678%16%15%
1985$0.6885$1.226678%21%16%

And so on, buying in 1993 and selling in 1995, and then buying in 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, and 2004, and selling all of those lots in 2006.

Buying Copper Today

Notice that the results were not based on massive, macro calls. That's not to say that you couldn't do better — or worse — by timing your purchases and sales based on macro events. (Like Buffett's belief that oil is due for a massive increase — a belief that led him into, and quickly out of, ConocoPhillips, and that he has repeated in a number of interviews.)

Instead, these purchases and sales were made based on the ordinary course of economics. When prices were low and supply and demand were out of whack, you would buy, expecting that prices would go up to rebalance supply and demand. When prices were high, you found other opportunities in other investments.

Today, prices are low and supply and demand are out of whack. Production has slowed, meaning that, when demand comes back, supply will likely trail it for a while. In addition, when we first bought DBB, copper was around $1.87, about 20% below its inflation-adjusted average.

We have a good margin of safety against macro events. If we have deflationary pressure for some time, I don't expect that to rage at 20%; so, we're still in cheap. When inflation hits, today's $2.27 inflation-adjusted "normal" price target would rise, offering a chance for even greater gains.

And, of course, production is low based on current demand and the expected demand of any recovery (and recovery will come); so, the price would be expected to rise as (a) demand increases, or (b) demand holds steady but production continues to fall.

It Could Go Lower

In every investment you hold, you must have expectations. I expect copper to be $2.27 plus future adjustments for inflation. In that case, it could easily drop from today's levels. It wouldn't bother me a bit because my data and reasoning tell me that, at some point in the future, supply and demand will have to work towards balance again.

The same is true with all of the stocks we hold. When Wells Fargo dropped below $9 a share, a leap of faith was required. Our data and reasoning said (says) that Wells Fargo is worth considerably more than $20 a share, and a helluva lot more than $8.70. The leap of faith required was (is) that the US Government wouldn't universally nationalize all banks, profitable or not.

The important thing when investing, whether in commodities or stocks, is ignoring the "in between." You know — the noise and market action that rips you one way or the other while you patiently wait for the fear surrounding your asset to lift and a more rational price to show through.

If you could buy a one-year treasury today for $800, knowing that, one year from now, you'd get back $1,000, would you really care if the markets pushed the price of that bond to $700? $500? $100?

Though stocks and commodities aren't guaranteed like US Bonds, that's exactly how we should be thinking about the daily market action. So long as the US Government isn't going to default on its one-year bonds, you could feel very comfortable with a 70% quotational loss. So long as your businesses are performing as expected, or so long as supply and demand are out of whack, quotational losses shouldn't bother you one bit.

Written by Joe Ponzio on April 27, 2009

Joe Ponzio is the managing partner of the Ponzio Investors Funds and owner of Ponzio Capital Inc, a registered investment advisory and deep value portfolio management firm. The author of F Wall Street (the book and the website), his articles have appeared in hundreds of financial media, including Financial Planning Magazine, CNBC.com, Yahoo! Finance, and Reuters. He has appeared numerous times nationally on both radio and television, and has presented at universities and seminars across the United States.

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The Discussion
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Rene
Apr 28th, 2009
80 comments

Sounds reasonable to me, but...say copper goes to 2.30 one year from now and you sell. How does that compare with having bought something like PCU at around $10 (or whatever the price was when you payed $1.87 for the commodity) and it's price shoots back up and while you've been collecting dividends all along?

I agree that Buffett does look at commodities and the macro. He even plays the currencies, as he made a bundle on the Brazilian Real a while back. I look at those things too and they influence what I invest in. For example, I have been accumulating ESEA, so when you sell your copper, I'll be transporting it for you :-).
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Mike
Apr 29th, 2009

Great Post Joe. Love your site.

A post on currencies would be great with a view on Buffet's approach.

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tc
Apr 30th, 2009

Joe,

Would you please let me know where I can find historical commodity prices and inflation adjusted historical prices?

Thanks,
TC
Rene: That depends on how PCU can navigate a $2.30 copper environment. Back when copper was at that price, prior to the commodities bubble, PCU was generating just $600 million in revenue. Though they've certainly grown over the past five years, a significant driver of that growth was the 400% price increase of copper, which translated into massive revenue increases.

Southern Copper Corporation (PCU) Revenues vs. Price of Copper

If you look at Q4 2008 vs. Q$ 2007, revenues were down 65% as the price of copper collapsed by roughly the same amount. Could PCU generate $5 billion in revenue on $2.30 copper? I'm not sure, but I'd doubt it as the business stands today. At $40 last year, was it cheap? Or was it a bubble stock price in a commodities bubble?

Personally, I'm not convinced that PCU would have been the better buy, even at $13. Time will tell; but, if copper doesn't get to $3 or $4 in the next year (and I don't think it should, but the markets love to surprise me), PCU will probably begin to look very overpriced at these levels.

Mike: I'll gladly start the discussion. What I don't know in currencies (a lot) should bring some interesting discussion (and insults!)

tc: I don't know of a site that has them just "out there." A few posts back, I mentioned the CRB Commodity Yearbook. It comes with a CD with historical commodity pricing. As for the inflation-adjusted price, you have to figure it out manually.
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Will
May 2nd, 2009

Where do you get your graphs and your figures from?
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Bram
May 3rd, 2009
2 comments

I have a question:

If I understand the above correctly then,
- Copper is currently at more or less a normal level if adjusted for inflation
- But, there are supply & demand imbalances (as well as a large inflation threat and maybe a weaking USD) that will create a upward pressure on commodity prices (even though maybe not right, let's call it a "bubble" since inflation-adjusted, copper is at a normal level).

I can still see the reasons for investing in copper, before the bubble happens, but my question is then: what is the price target? Because we can't hold copper forever and expect to make a nice profit in the sense that the inflation-adjusted price is to low currently. Any thoughts on this? If history is meaning anything, then in bubbles we have historically seen prices up to 3.50 (in your graph), whereas 2.25 is the average level. So a 50% rise? But then you also have take into account whether this will happen in a short period or in a long period if anything is to meet a minimum required rate of return right?
Will: Excel handled the graphs in the post. The chart in my comment above is from Morningstar.

Bram: Copper was not at a normal level when we purchased it. It was cheap. I would sell it around $2.25, adjusted for inflation if it takes a while to get there.
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Michael
Aug 25th, 2009
1 comment

Sold you copper yet?

Michael,

I sold it when I felt copper was fairly priced. I'm not surprised to see it above $2.25 or thereabouts — these things tend to move like a pendulum based on supply and demand. In my case, I bought cheap while supply was dwindling, and then it became expensive as demand increased.

But yes...I sold.
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Joe
Sep 24th, 2009
1 comment

I am a newly licensed broker in the world od commodities! The patterns are similar for all the metals, aren't they?
Joe,

The inputs and results are the same over time — commodities are affected by:
  • supply and demand,
  • inflation, and
  • currency valuations if priced in another currency
On a day-to-day basis, they are affected by speculation, gambling, and the wind.
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Dean
Oct 13th, 2009

Terrible analysis. Using the green line introduces a serious look-ahead-bias.
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