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Some Laws Can't Be Broken: Supply and Demand

By Joe Ponzio on April 5, 2009  |  18 comments

I appreciate your patience with the lack of posts here on F Wall Street. As you may have noticed from this comment, I had the honor of being invited to speak to the MBA students at Howard University in Washington DC on March 13th. I'm working on getting the video from that speech (about an hour long) and will post it here when I have it.

One of the topics I covered was basic economics. More specifically, the two laws of economics that can't be broken, and that are paramount to investment success and thinking about investing:

  1. Supply and demand can get out of whack for a long time; but, they always work towards balance over the long-term; and,
  2. Whomever controls the prices gets the money.

You don't have to be an economic guru to understand these laws. Still, not understanding them could be disastrous to your portfolio. Today, we'll look at the first point and I'll cover the second in a subsequent article (in less than a month — promise).

Supply and Demand: Everyday Life

When it comes to money, the markets, business, economics...everything works on supply and demand. Rather than digressing into a bunch of wild tangents, theoretical rants, and deep discussions on economics, I'll give you the world's greatest example of supply and demand, and how these two laws affect pricing: eBay.

Even if you haven't used it before, you know eBay — the auction website that allows you to turn the garbage in your garage into cash, or to find hidden gems on the cheap. Just recently, I purchased a brand new copy of the 2006 CRB Commodity Yearbook as my kids turned my last one into a coloring book. I could have purchased it new from the Commodity Research Bureau for $100. Instead, I bought it on eBay for $11.65.

Why could I buy a $100 book and CD on eBay for just $11.65? Supply and demand. Very few people are interested in buying a copy of the 2006 CRB Commodity Yearbook (little demand) so the price is low to entice otherwise disinterested buyers to enter the market.

Supply and Demand: The Stock Markets

Supply and demand is easy to understand, and you see it every day in the stock markets. When you buy a stock, you are buying it from someone else. When you sell, you sell to someone else. Supply and demand determines which way prices go.

If there are more shares wanted for purchase than are immediately available from sellers, the price goes up. In this case, there is a lot of demand (interested buyers) but very little supply (few sellers). By raising the price of the stock, one of two things will happen to bring supply and demand back into balance:

  1. Interested buyers become less interested in buying at the higher prices, thereby reducing demand to meet the short supply; and/or,
  2. Otherwise disinterested sellers become more interested in selling at the higher prices, thereby increasing the supply of for-sale shares to meet the demand.

The opposite is true when more shares are tendered for sale than there are interested buyers — sellers become less interested in selling at lower prices, and buyers become more interested in buying at lower prices.

Supply and demand can get extremely out of whack for a while, which ultimately moves stock prices up and down very rapidly. We saw it happen recently with the bank stocks — Bank of America, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, and others. There was an overabundance of sellers — traditional sellers, fire-sale sellers, short sellers, naked short sellers — all trying to dump their or sell short these stocks. There was very little demand to buy these shares; so, the prices fell fast and hard to try and reduce seller interest and increase buyer demand.

This was driven primarily by media sensationalism, as I pointed out in this comment as Wells Fargo crossed below $9 and every news channel was promising universal bank nationalization.

Here we are six weeks later — universal bank nationalization is off the table (I don't believe it was even on the table), things are proving to be ugly, though still better than full-blown, 1930s-style depression, and the demand for stocks outgrew the supply, pushing the markets back up.

Supply and Demand: Understanding it at eBay

Here's how eBay works: A user posts an item for sale and sets a starting (and possibly a minimum) price. Then, visitors bid on that item. Each bid is higher than the last until supply and demand get into balance. That is — until the price reaches a level to where the demand for that one item and that high price is exactly one.

When that happens, the item goes to the highest bidder.

Now, the price can be much less than what the seller hoped to get for his item; or, the item can sell for much more than what the seller had hoped to get. It happens. But...there a lesson in there: Supply and demand determine prices; hope is not an investment strategy.

The Elasticity of Supply and Demand

In a perfect world, supply and demand would be in perfect balance, prices would always be efficient, and I'd have a little more hair. Unfortunately (especially for me), the world is not perfect. Supply and demand get out of whack from time to time, which ultimately presents investors with the opportunity to profit greatly, earn anemic returns, or lose substantially.

You need not look further than the dot-com bubble. In the early part of the 1990s, demand for technology companies was growing somewhat faster than the supply of great businesses. Prices increased.

By the late 1990s, the demand for tech was so high that speculators couldn't buy them fast enough. It didn't matter whether or not the company made money — what the business was like. The supply of stocks was short relative to the demand, and prices had to rise...for a while.

By the early 2000s, a bubble had formed — supply and demand were grossly out of whack and something had to give. Supply and demand, over the long-term, will always try to find their balance. To do so in tech stocks, prices hit a critical mass high, drying up the demand and, and prices began to fall, flooding the markets with supply.

The Unbreakable Rubber Band

Of course, supply and demand don't get out of whack only to end at a balance. Instead, think of it as a rubber band — stretching out as they get out of whack, and then snapping back. The more you stretch it, the harder it will snap back.

When you let that rubber band snap back, it doesn't usually end up as a perfect circle. Instead, it looks more like a limp noodle — partially or totally devoid of slack at all ends. Where a taut rubber band has a ton of demand (pressure) on it and very little supply (addition room to stretch), a limp rubber band has no demand and very little supply.

Except in economics, the rubber band can't break. Demand can dry up when a product or service becomes obsolete, in which case the rubber band goes away. Otherwise, the rubber band will over stretch and over shrink as supply and demand try to find balance.

How Supply and Demand Affect Prices and Profits

Why is it that some companies can increase prices with inflation while others are doomed to bad economics? Supply and demand.

Coca-Cola is the only company in the world that can supply the world's thirst for Coke, Sprite, Minute Maid, A&W Root Beer, and more than 2,700 other products. If you want a Coke, a Pepsi won't cut it (for many people; and, the opposite is true as well). That's why these businesses have been able to increase the prices of their products over time.

On the opposite end of the spectrum you'll find the Freeport McMoRans of the world — mining companies that have virtually no pricing power. Their profits are tied to the values of the commodities they extract and sell, as the chart below shows. Their costs are substantially fixed (though they can control costs by adding or reducing staff, starting or stopping mining operations, etc.); so, these companies will perform well (from a business standpoint) when commodities prices are high and will perform poorly when commodities prices are low.

Freeport McMoRan profit margins versus the price of copper

Freeport McMoRan (FCX) can't arbitrarily raise the price of its products because its customers don't generally care if they're doing business with FCX — they care about getting rock bottom prices on copper.

Speaking of supply, demand and commodities companies, Stan & Mel asked an interesting question:

Why is there nothing about oil companies or oil service companies on your site. These seem to have been big money makers for investors over time. Is it because these are difficult industries to follow?

Why Buy The Company When You Can Buy The Commodity?

Exxon Mobile. Freeport McMoRan. Alcoa. Though they may have various business lines and plans to keep them afloat when commodities prices are ridiculously low, they all share a basic characteristic: their profits and growth are highly dependant on the price of the underlying commodities in which they deal.

So, before buying an oil company, or an agricultural company, or any commodity-based company, you must first ask and answer the critical supply and demand question. Is the demand for the underlying commodity greater than the current supply? If so, how long before the supply can meet the demand? (A mining company can't wish its way to new mines — it has to locate the commodity, build out the mines, extract it, etc. This process can take many years.)

Finally, is the price of the commodity low relative to the supply and demand characteristics? In 2008, oil nearing $150 was the peak of a bubble, as was copper at $4.

Then, you have to ask yourself the truly critical question: Do I buy the companies...or the commodities? If you know that the current and near-term potential supply is extremely short relative to the demand, and you know that the price is relatively low, then you have the "what" of your equation: The price of the commodity — oil, copper, aluminum, wheat, whatever — has to go up over time (or demand has to fall sharply) until supply and demand get back in balance.

In that case, if you think oil is cheap, why buy Exxon (XOM)? Buy oil! If you think that copper is cheap, why buy FCX? Buy copper! Why let the executives or securities laws or corporate tax laws screw up your investment if you don't have to? Unless, of course, the company is a more attractive versus the commodity.

If I think oil is going to $70 a barrel, I'd rather buy the commodity at $52 than XOM at $70. At $70 a barrel, the commodity is worth $70 while XOM might only be worth $85 — the difference between a 35% return in oil versus a 14% return in XOM.

That said, in the same scenario, I'd take XOM over oil if I could get XOM at, say, $50.

Aren't Commodities Risky?

That depends on how you approach them. Day-trading commodities is risky, as is day-trading stocks. With commodities, the risk can be magnified by insane amounts of leverage, moreso than is allowed with owning stocks.

If you're a long-term investor, and if you have a good idea of what will happen even though you don't know when it will happen, owning commodities is no more or less risky than owning stocks. Remember: volatility is not risk. Risk is in the strategy, not the security.

I'm not suggesting you open a futures trading account. Instead, if you see supply and demand out of whack in a commodity, look for an exchange traded fund (ETF) that deals in that commodity. You can buy and sell it like a stock, but don't have to worry about having a different account, settling your futures on a daily basis, backwardation and contango (generally, if you're a long-term investor), and the myriad of other commodities headaches that scare and confound inexperienced futures traders.

F Wall Street Adds DBB

Yesterday, I added 694 shares (10%) of The PowerShares DB Base Metals Fund (DBB) to the F Wall Street portfolio. An investment in DBB is a passive investment in aluminum, zinc, and copper. I'll get more in depth about the whys of aluminum, zinc, and copper in another post; but, here's the rationale: If I think that copper prices are going to rise 50%, why buy FCX — a company that would generate a 20% profit margin on those 50% higher prices? Why not take the 50% for myself?

Obviously, my investment in DBB says this: I believe that demand for aluminum, zinc, and copper will be much higher than the current and near-term supply capabilities. My 10% investment is not a 10% investment in each of these metals; rather, the metals are split evenly in thirds. My investment, therefore, is a 3.33% investment in each of the three metals.

Back To The Law That Can't Be Broken

When supply and demand are out of whack, prices change — in stocks, in commodities, on eBay. In the short-term, this can lead to massive bubbles and gut wrenching bursts. In the long-term, however, supply and demand will always try to work towards a balance, and the best way to balance them is by raising or lowering prices.

There is no better way to entice people to increase supply and to contemporaneously reduce demand (ie, help bring supply and demand back into balance) than by increasing the price of the item in demand. This is a law that can't be broken.

If you have a grasp on the supply and demand characteristics of your investments, and if you understand the second unbreakable law (whomever controls the prices gets the money), you'll have almost everything you need to figure out what will happen.

What would you do differently if you knew precisely what would happen, even though you didn't know when it would happen?

Written by Joe Ponzio on April 5, 2009

Joe Ponzio is the managing partner of the Ponzio Investors Funds and owner of Ponzio Capital Inc, a registered investment advisory and deep value portfolio management firm. The author of F Wall Street (the book and the website), his articles have appeared in hundreds of financial media, including Financial Planning Magazine, CNBC.com, Yahoo! Finance, and Reuters. He has appeared numerous times nationally on both radio and television, and has presented at universities and seminars across the United States.

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Alex MacKinnon
Apr 5th, 2009
15 comments

Thank-you once again Mr. Ponzio for a great post.

A couple of questions....

Will you be expanding on your new addition of PowerShares DB Base Metals Fund (DBB) to the portfolio?

and...

How, if at all, does your analysis of DBB vary from your analysis of a more "normal" business? Are you using a variation of DCF or is it a different analysis all together?

Thanks again, I know everyone involved in the Fwallstreet community appreciates the time and effort that you put forth on this site,

Alex
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Rene
Apr 5th, 2009
80 comments

I wonder why Monish Pabrai bought HNR, CRESSY, TCK and ZINC. Maybe someone should tell him about these newfangled ETF things. I have stayed away from ETFs after I discovered a lot of them are like mutual funds, "actively managed", with the same high fees and tax problems due to churn. Commodity companies are like any other company, some are better run than others. Some will make more money than others when the price of the stuff they mine or grow is down or when it's up. I think it's easier to figure out a company like AUY or ZINC than to predict where commodities are going in the same time frame. Sure, commodities in the loooong term will be up, but in the loooong term we are all dead.

I know the month long rally has been impressive, but I'm surprised you seem to be calling a bottom and an end to the crisis. I personally think we are not even close to being out of the woods and will be very surprised if at least a couple of banks don't go under or get "nationalized". As huge as the rip-off to the taxpayer is under the current approach, I don't see how it's going to be enough. I hope I'm wrong. Glad you found time to post, it's always stimulative.
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Chris
Apr 6th, 2009
3 comments

Joe, I think you are looking up more than down for this situation. If you can determine that a company is a solid investment at $25 oil, and the price of oil is $50, you have given yourself a wide margin of safety.

If you know the long term trend of oil is up then this would be a safe investment. But if you invest in the underlying commodity, you might be more at the will of the noise of the commodity and the whim of the market. You know the company that is profitable at $25 oil is still profitable when oil is at $25, but on the other hand as a commodity investment you would have lost half of your investment.

You do have it right it should be risk versus reward, but I'd like to adhere to Buffett's rule #1 & 2.

I guess it's the same argument as stocks vs options.
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Madhawk
Apr 6th, 2009
12 comments

I think that you're right about base metals prices and I thank you for pointing out the ETF. There's no guarantee that the pattern will continue, but historically when metal inventories (as held in LME warehouses) the price of the metal has hit a bottom and will start moving northward. It appears that those metal inventories have peaked or at least are growing very, very slowly.

I would be very careful as well to say that metal companies have no control over pricing. That's not there business model, but they do ultimately have control. Aluminum for instance is basically controlled by an oligopoly. There are about 5 major aluminum producers in the world. The same is true for copper, iron ore, zinc, nickel, and what have you. They simply cut production when supply and demand get out of control. The risk to them is that some national government decides to set up a new subsidized producer like in the steel and chemicals business. Although those industries are manufacturers and not extractors of minerals. From a 5 forces standpoint, extractive industries have large barriers to entry. It takes a lot of money to put or dig a hole in the ground.
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g
Apr 6th, 2009

why do you think that there is a supply/demand imbalance in metals?
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dave
Apr 7th, 2009

Your last 3 posts have signaled an about face for your blog.

I thought this blog was all about value stocks, calculating intrinsic value and buying $1.00 for $.50.
The last 3 posts have been about macro stuff that us value investors specifically avoid.
Alex: I will be expanding on the purchase, including valuing commodities.

Rene: I'm not a fan of most ETFs for the reasons you mentioned. If I'm going to buy one, it has to be passively managed — an index EFT of sorts. I'm not calling a bottom or an end. There are a lot of problems that need to be worked out and some very severe headwinds for the economy and perhaps the markets. That said, supply and demand still work over the long-term.

Chris: The stock market will kill a business with thin margins, and would likely do the same to an oil company that is barely eeking by @ $25 oil. If you know that the long-term trend for oil is higher, you can choose between the oil company and oil itself, depending on which you believe to be the better buy. If, for example, you think oil is going to $200, I think you'd be better in oil. At a certain point, the consumer will pull back and try to save money on fuel (we saw it @ $100-$147, or $4 at-the-pump gas), cutting into Exxon's revenues and profits. We saw the beginnings of that in Q3 of 2008, when Exxon's revenues slipped 1% from the pervious quarter as people pared back driving. Too much of that, and Exxon's business will deteriorate and the stock will plummet, all while oil is rising. Prime example — in the 1970s, oil went up tenfold while XOM's stock grew just 100%.

You're only at the whim of the noise if you listen to it. If I thought oil was going to $200 and I bought it at $50, why should I worry when it falls to $30? Over the long-term, supply and demand still works.

Madhawk: I shouldn't say they have no control, but it's thin. They can cut production, but that takes time. It takes even more time to ramp it back up. As that happens, the commodity price should rise while supply is trying to catch up to demand.

You're right about the barriers to entry, as I'll discuss when I expand on DBB.

g: I'll get into that as I expand on my DBB purchase.

dave: I'm not trying to make an about face; rather, I'm trying to discuss issues and questions that are on peoples' minds. You'll notice that I'm not trying to make statements about what should or shouldn't be done. Instead, I'm talking about investing in this sort of environment and where the opportunities might lie today.

I know that Buffett says that he ignores the macro stuff. But I can't help but ask myself: Why did he run his partnership in the 50s and 60s — an amazing bull market for stocks — and then close it up in the early 70s, when the bull market had ended, only to reenter stocks in the 1974 crash and again in 1979, just before the next bull market began, to finally decide to hoard cash from the mid-2000s through today? I know that he says he ignores the macro picture; but, for a guy that pays no mind to it, he knows a heck of a lot about it and has made some big, bold decisions on it.

I assume that Buffett tells everyone to ignore the macro issues because, for most people, they shouldn't buy, hold, or sell their stocks based on macro noise and news. I would never make a decision based on where I think interest rates will be next year; but, I don't think a little discussion and knowledge is bad.

And let's not forget Jim Rogers and George Soros. They did alright investing in stocks and commodities (among other things). They don't ignore macros issues; they feed on them.

I don't think it's bad to have information and ideas from all sides, and then invest in the five, ten, or twenty best ones — even if that might lead us out of individual stocks and into commodities, real estate, private businesses, bonds, etc.
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Steve
Apr 7th, 2009
1 comment

In your post you said "Why is it that some companies can increase prices with inflation while others are doomed to bad economics?"

My terminology may be off but I think of the companies that can increase prices with inflation as having a durable competitive advantage.

Wouldn't it be possible to go through the 5,000 or so publicly traded companies and identify which companies have a durable competitive advantage.

Then you would only have to watch these companies to see when their price gave a proper margin of safety to invest.

Or another way would be to create an "index" of all the companies with a durable competitive advantage and invest in all of these companies consistently over time?

What do you think?
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Here is another thought. The companies we look to invest in have high margins and good cash flow. If a company like this exists it will usually be kept private because the cash flow is so good that outside investment capital is not needed. If this company if public it will probably be taken private using the cash flow to buy back shares and outside money to see the value in future cash flow to pay off any debt used to purchase the company.

Thus most publicly traded companies are probably not good investments. Leaving only a handful of publicly traded companies as possible investments.

What do you think?
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Dave
Apr 8th, 2009

Joe:

I think Buffett was mostly doing NCAV and risk arbitrage with his partnerships. When those opportunities dried up, he closed up shop. It may look like he's making macro calls, but i think that's just a testament to how the availability of NCAV stocks are a good proxy for how under/overvalued the market is overall. (There are currently tons of NCAV stocks).

More recently, I agree that he has a more complex, multifactor approach to investing, perhaps best described in Charlie Mungers "The Art of Stock Picking." This article is a great read, but I think there is great danger in underestimating the amount of work, insight and persistance that this more vague and intuitive approach would require.


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Rene
Apr 8th, 2009
80 comments

I think there is a danger in taking things too literally. I don't think there is any question that Buffett pays attention to the macro. Paying attention to the macro, is not the same as paying attention to Mr. Market. The macro has to do with the real economy, Mr. Market with the mood swings of "investors". I would have bought shares on the Titanic at any point up to and maybe even including the moment it hit the iceberg, but not once I saw how much water it was taking on as a result of the damage. As it is, value investors are notorious for getting in "too early" in bear markets, which is fine, but it would be foolish not to take notice when really huge events occur, like the banking crisis.
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BPal
Apr 9th, 2009

Why invest in a commodities business instead of the commodity? Less volatility for one. Just as a commodity can go up 50% while the company only gains 20%, the commodity can just as easily drop 50% while the company only drops 20%. Also, if commodity prices stay within a narrow trading band, you make minimal to no return on your commodity ETF but you can still earn dividends from the company that continues to spit out cash for selling those commodities.

Also, plain and simple a retail investor that purchases a commodity ETF is speculating. Someone who values a commodity-based business and determines it is trading a discount is buying a piece of a business at a fair price. A lot of commodity ETFs purchase futures or option contracts. In these deals one party is hedging risk (the business that wants to lock in prices to reduce earnings volatility) and the counterparty is accepting that risk as a speculative bet on which way commodity prices are headed. As I assume most retail investors aren't actually in the business of buying/selling commodities to produce value-added product, they're speculators.

I also feel that this site is losing its way and slowly becoming another blog chasing high returns rather then investing in sound businesses trading at discounts to fair value, suitable for long-term holdings. A lot of people here are clearly Joe disciples and I just caution you to realize that placing 10% of your portfolio in commodities is pure speculation and while there is nothing wrong with doing that, just realize what you're getting into.
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jc
Apr 9th, 2009

BPal,

I recommend you read Jim Rogers. Your statement comes from a very uninformed place. You clearly do not understand how commodities work and assume that volatility and risk are one in the same.

If the supply of a commodity is falling and demand is rising, the price will rise. As Joe elegantly said...its simple economics and NOT "pure speculation." It is only "pure speculation" if you buy or sell commodities without knowing what you are doing. I wouldn't recommend it for you until you learn more about them.

Buffett has also invested in commodities in the past. Look up his various silver investments and currency plays. These weren't "pure speculation" but based on supply and demand and/or government actions or omissions that would cause one to rise or fall.

"...just realize what you're getting into." Commodities, like stocks, are only speculative if you are uninformed or if you are trying to trade in the short-term.

Please don't take this as criticism. I'm just respectfully disagreeing with you.
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Amit
Apr 9th, 2009

To avoid the risk of being "Joe's Disciple" , I will respectfully agree with JC lol =)

Nice post Joe, awesome discussion too btw
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BPal
Apr 9th, 2009

I don't assume volatility and risk are one in the same, but they are correlated. A high beta offers the chance for higher returns but at greater risk. I was simply offering a reason why someone may want to invest in the stock instead of the underlying commodity. The stock tends to be less volatile.

Also, I do understand the economics of supply and demand. But I also understand options and futures and that they are a risk transference tool. It's a zero sum game, one person's gain equally offsets the other's loss. Unlike owning a piece of a business which produces value-added outputs, owning a commodity is a speculative bet on price movements. I'm not saying you can't make an informed bet by doing your homework first, but it's still a bet. Just like a professional poker player may have better knowledge than an amateur, he's still placing a bet.

At least when buying a stock, you can build in a margin of safety. That option's not there when purchasing a commodity.
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Sivaram Velauthapillai
Apr 13th, 2009
1 comment

There is an important element that no one talks about--and I suspect this is actually how most people end up losing money on commodities. Contrary to what Jim Rogers says (i.e. commodities safer that commodity stocks) I, similar to some of what BPal is saying, feel that commodities are far more difficult than they seem. Let me point out my view by arguing against a point JC made...

JC: "If the supply of a commodity is falling and demand is rising, the price will rise."


The important element that is missing from that statement is notion of whether a commodity is overvalued or undervalued. Commodity prices can decline even if demand rises while supply falls. Seems impossible?

Consider oil prices from 1980 to 2000. Except for a brief decline in the early 80's, world oil demand actually kept going up all throughout the 80's and 90's. Yet, oil prices actually declined in that period. I think production did go up here and there but that can't explain the huge decline in oil prices from the 70's to the 2000's.

The real reason, of course, was that oil was overvalued back in the late 70's/early 80's. Supply and demand fundamentals could be bullish but if the commodity is overvalued, it will fall; and vice versa.

I'm not a value investor but one of the reasons many value investors avoid commodities is because it's difficult to price it. How do you figure out what the price of a commodity should be? Should oil be $30? $50? $70? $100? $200? $500? How about copper? Is $2 too high? Is $1 too low? Is $0.50 right? Even if demand is greater than supply, how would one know whether the price should go up 25% rather than 5% or 50%?

I'm (mildly) bearish on commodities but there is nothing wrong with investing in them but they are a totally different game.
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Mark P
Apr 22nd, 2009
14 comments

It all seems a bit speculative to me. The bigger fool principal, being hopefull that someone will pay more sometime in the future.

With a good investment you should be able to read the future.

There is no way of knowing that this bag of commodities will be worth more in the future.
cheers
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Gopinath
Apr 23rd, 2009

Mark P,

You can't say "There is no way of knowing what that bag is worth of". If the commodities investing is out of your circle of competence, you should stay away from that. Some intelligent people thinks that they understood supply & demand and there are mispricing & bet accordingly.

Certain percentage of companies in the world produce those commodities. Their profitability is based on the prices of those commodities. No company is profitable at some dumb commodities prices. So, in your case you wont be able to value those companies as well. But you cant really say those who make investments in these companies are speculative investments.

This article is just to outline the various types of investments & increase the circle of competence of people who are into investing.

Just my thoughts,
Gopinath
I hope that today's three articles shed some light on my thinking. I don't hope to change anyone's opinion on the matter. Some people hear about commodities and fall in love. Others will never change their minds on the subject. Worst case scenario, we all have some fun discussing yet another potential avenue for investment.

This whole discussion underscores the importance of staying within one's circle of confidence and competence. Thanks all for contributing!
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