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Back Online; The FWS Portfolio; Outlooks

By Joe Ponzio on October 16, 2008  |  13 comments

In business, timing is everything; so, I can only imagine what people thought when I sent out that letter last weekend, the markets ran up 10%, and F Wall Street went offline. The truth is: The company hosting this site cancelled their hosting service without forewarning. I didn't know for two or three days. Now, we're back online with a new host, and ready to go.

(It's somewhat funny because the people that thought they might have heard a big Ooops had clearly missed the long-term outlook of that letter.)

The F Wall Street Portfolio

Clearly, I had to make some changes to the F Wall Street portfolio. Our permanent holdings remain just that — permanent. As for those stocks we intended to dance in and out of — we danced out of some of them. I'll get to those next week.

Perhaps I should have heeded some of your warnings (René was very outspoken and forward-looking) — I did not expect things to deteriorate so rapidly or so violently. Though the problems in the economy began long ago, they really escalated over the past month. I try to look through the windshield as I'm driving; still, the road looks different to all of us.

All told, the damage to the portfolio is minimal compared to the overall markets. As Tom mentioned in this comment, you shouldn't follow the F Wall Street portfolio precisely because it is not updated in real time. The strategy and approach doesn't change; the positions do.

All in all, the F Wall Street portfolio is down a few percent from its start a year and 40% ago. Following Buffett's strategy, if we can lose less than the markets in a down market, earn money in a flat market, and try to keep up when things are going well, our returns should be quite "satisfactory" and should beat the markets over the course of three and five years.

Taking Action in Today's Markets

If your investing is done entirely in the rear view mirror (which, by the way, is the inherent danger in relying blindly on automated spreadsheets), it looks rosy out there. If you look through the windshield, the outlook for the markets is mediocre at best.

Tomorrow, I am sending out Part II of the "Investing in the Global Credit Crisis" series. In it, I'll talk about what really drives the stock markets in the long term. (Hint: It's not just earnings growth.)

Portfolio Hedging For The Nearly F'ed

Over the past two weeks, I have seen sheer terror and depression in people's eyes. A lot of people have lost 40%...50% of their savings and net worth. Advisors are screaming, "STAY THE COURSE!" and "WE'RE SETTING UP FOR A BULL RUN!"

I don't have any special insight into the markets; but, I do know that the conditions are present to create a market that is different from the 1982 to 2000 bull market, and more like the 1965 to 1982 flat market. (More on that in tomorrow's report.) I am an eternal bull on individual companies and their stocks; but, I wouldn't want to be broadly diversified across the stock markets for the next five or ten years.

(Mind you: My outlook on the markets is for the long-term, same as my outlook for Johnson & Johnson. All that any of us can do is try to predict the future with a degree of confidence and competence. If you know something beyond that, load up on lottery tickets.)

If, like so many Americans, you are broadly invested (through a lot of stocks and/or diversified mutual funds) and don't want to sell just because you've lost too much (ie. you're making decisions based on what you see in the rear view mirror), consider hedging your portfolio for against further downside. The ProShares UltraShort S&P500 (SDS) looks to make 200% of the inverse return of the S&P 500. That is, before fees and expenses, if the S&P 500 drops 5%, SDS will make 10%.

To me, this is a great hedge if you can't bring yourself to sell anything. If the markets (and your portfolio) go up 30%, SDS will lose roughly 60%; but, a 30% gain in 85% of your portfolio, offset by a 60% loss in your 15% SDS position, would leave you up about 16.5%. On the other hand, if the markets fall 30% from here, you'd lose roughly 16.5%.

Mind you — I'm not advocating a "predict tomorrow's market" strategy; rather, I'm saying this: Considering the amount of uncertainty out there, and if another 20% or more loss would push you from "feeling f'ed" to "totally f'ed," you should hedge against those potential losses. Remember: You don't have to make it back the way that you lost it.

Switching The Tone

Many of you have expressed concerns that I'm switching to panic mode or fear. Not true. When it comes to the stock markets, there are three approaches:

  • optimism,
  • pessimism, and
  • realism.

I'm a realist. I feel no emotion in the markets or in my investment decisions. The recent "flight to cash" or "hedge your portfolio" posts and comments are not a fundamental shift from bull to bear, or a sign of I-don't-know-what-to-do-but-I-have-to-say-something confusion.

To provide a little history here, as it can be lost in the sea of F Wall Street posts:

And, of course, the posts from this month. Throughout the last year, I got slammed on a number of occasions for being pessimistic. When times are good, warnings of caution seem pessimistic. When times are bad, bulls sound like they're full of, well, bull.

During that time, I was bullish on individual companies, but bearish on the vast majority of companies and the markets. Since then, a lot has changed in the markets, but nothing has changed in my approach from 18 months ago.

Hopefully, that will become more evident with tomorrow's letter that will be available on Meridian's website by late tomorrow (Friday) morning.

Written by Joe Ponzio on October 16, 2008

Joe Ponzio is the managing partner of the Ponzio Investors Funds and owner of Ponzio Capital Inc, a registered investment advisory and deep value portfolio management firm. The author of F Wall Street (the book and the website), his articles have appeared in hundreds of financial media, including Financial Planning Magazine, CNBC.com, Yahoo! Finance, and Reuters. He has appeared numerous times nationally on both radio and television, and has presented at universities and seminars across the United States.

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The Discussion
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Allen
Oct 16th, 2008
47 comments

I was a little worried when I couldn't reach the web page yesterday!
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Tiago
Oct 16th, 2008
8 comments

Where can I see the entire portfolio?
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Casey Mattson
Oct 16th, 2008
26 comments

I think if we are in for a flat market for an extended period of time, look for companies with decent dividends to reinvest. Assess the safety of the dividend with some homework. Thats my program for a lportion of my portfolio going forward. For example if the company is paying a 4% dividend and it grows by 6 to 8% per year, it doesn't take too long to have a 10% annual return on your original investment per annum.
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Dan Loomis
Oct 16th, 2008
36 comments

Joe - really glad to see you back online!

Your "1965 to 1982" flat market really resonated with me, if nothing else because I read "Active Value Investing: Making Money in Range-Bound Markets" this time last year and it appears we're going down that path according to plan. If you haven't already I suggest reading it...it fits in pretty well with your philosophy.

http://www.amazon.com/Act...;s=books&qid=1224196207&sr=8-1
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Rene
Oct 16th, 2008
80 comments

Welcome back! I was never worried and would have bet even money that it was a technical glitch. Glad to hear the portfolio losses are minimal, I figure my "score" once a month towards the end of the month, so I don't know how much I'm down, but on a cursory look it may be more than 20-25% overall.

At the risk of pushing my luck, I don't agree that we are going to see a flat market anytime soon, I think we are going lower. However, as you point out we shouldn't care about the market but about individual businesses and I'm still looking to buy specific companies all the way down to S&P 700 or whatever. This is going to be a market for stock pickers and no one should be "diversified" or in a broad index fund unless you are very, very young and are investing through dollar cost averaging.

I'm actually having a lot of fun with so many great companies, selling at almost give away prices, to examine. What is not so much fun, is knowing what a rough time a lot of people are going to have for a long time and in some cases permanently. Unfortunately, human nature is such, that rationality, logic and facts don't convince very many of anything, only a two-by-four between the eyes seems to do the job.

Good to see the site up again and hey, thanks for putting the accent on the last e of my name, I'm so lame I can't figure out how to do it!
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Ryan
Oct 17th, 2008
5 comments

If one wants to hedge their portfolio in terms of market fluctuations using that particular ETF how does the math work? For instance if an investor has 100k in the market, what is the dollar amount or percentage that they should be hedge? Is it 15% of the 100K, like in the example, so the dollar amount would be 15K?
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phil
Oct 17th, 2008
6 comments

I actually believe (not that my predictions are worth more than the next guys) that we are going up and going up really big in the near future. I won't get into a big speel but 3 primary reasons. 1) everyone expects disaster, and as anyone who follows the markets knows, the market always, yes always does what is least expected. Just think, how many people were positioned for the rally after the bailout plan was passed? Second, if our current market pricing is too pessimistic and the economy does just a bit better than the doom sayers expect -- there's a few thou Dow pts easy to the upside. 11000 - 12000 in a nanosecond. Ignore that Fred Hickey guy - he's been a stopped clocked for years and missed the big rally to 14000. He'll be wrong again - it's just the nature of things.

Third- although we've been all over the map, the last decade really has been a flat market. About 6500 Dow points of trading range. the WSJ had a pretty good article a while back called the lost decade.

Full Disclosure - I am a business investor (not a value investor like those big mouths Nygren and Davis) but now a days it is a part of what I do. It's not the whole. I have no ideological binds when it comes to the market. None whatsoever. I used to be. I try to be the best that I can be, and to develop what works best for me - not some hugely successful guy that I read about. My goal is to make a living not follow ideology. I do a lot of dancing in and out of stocks. To me they are pieces of paper that will break your heart if you give them the chance. (Even though the Sage from the west and his side kick says that ain't cool) And I'm a pretty fast dancer - In fact, I've got one of the fastest right index fingers this side of Wall Street. It's called tape reading. I don't give a dang about transaction costs and I want to pay taxes. It beats the alternative.

Please don't hold that against me. This is my full time job and I've had 2 decades experience to realize business (value) investing works well in limited situations, like now!! It's poor in a rising runaway market. When the market is going crazy to the upside that's when I kick into momentum mode. (a crime to some ideologists).

I just believe that people who are really interested in investing should have an open mind and to consider other possibilities. It's Ok. Even if the investing God (you know who) doesn't bless it.

Nevertheless I think Joe's approach is about the best I've seen on the net when it comes to business investing. Much better than the, hyped, so called experts.
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Rene
Oct 17th, 2008
80 comments

The market will NOT go up, until Phil throws in the towel...;-)
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g
Oct 17th, 2008

Buffet's piece in the NYTs today-

http://www.nytimes.com/20...;ref=opinion&oref=slogin
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Graham Jervis
Oct 17th, 2008
6 comments

Where can one view this portfolio?
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Rene
Oct 18th, 2008
80 comments

Since Joe can go through balance sheets so quickly and golfing weather is pretty much over in Chicago, I think we should give him something to do. I propose we each submit a stock or three for him to evaluate and at the end of the week he picks a winner and comments on it and perhaps any others he deems worthy of commentary. Here is my entry in case he bites:

My entry is one of these two, maybe I can get some help deciding which is the better company. Both are down beaten (what isn't these days) steel makers.

SYM PE PB ROE Debt/EQ OpCF FCF YIELD/Ratio

NUE 5.68 1.27 26.52 .413 2.03B 768M 4.70/40
MT 3.07 .64 24.38 .60 16.36B 6.47B 4.70/14

I usually don't look at this kind of company because of the high debt. However, all the other numbers scream bargain at me. The cash flows seem to make the debt more palatable. Everyone out there is mentioning NUE, but I think MT is the better buy by far. I'm I way off base? Any steel experts out there? Any number crunchers besides Joe? What are you looking at?
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John S. Rhoades
Oct 19th, 2008
1 comment

I would suggest out-of-the-money S&P 500 index puts as a better hedge than the SDS. Why?

- More leverage. The 15 month strike 600 options provide a reverse leverage of about 3.6x.
- Asymmetric leverage. The yield curve on a put option is steeper as the underlying security price goes down. This means less of a penalty as the S&P goes up compared to a reverse ETF.

But put options are not without their problems.

- Options expire, generally worthless. You have to keep rolling over for continuous protection.
- Currently you are paying a high time premium.
- Bid/Ask spreads are large, so your transaction costs are also.
Tiago/Graham: The portfolio is updated throughout the year, but it is not readily viewed for one simple reason: The point of this website is long-term investing. There is no benefit derived from watching and benchmarking it on a daily, monthly, or quarterly basis. In fact, even the annual performance is silly considering our time frame is many years.

You can see the first year's performance here.

Dan Loomis: I could have sworn that was already on my bookshelf, but I can't find it. I just ordered it — thanks!

Ryan: In my opinion, it depends on how market correlated the portfolio is. If a 20% drop in the markets results in a 20% drop in the portfolio, I'd look at 15%, knowing that would slice roughly 50% of the returns off on the ups and downs. If the portfolio is not correlated to the markets, I might not use it at all.

The important thing to remember is the 2:1 relationship. I wouldn't go too heavy in SDS because its returns are magnified by leverage. If you went long 50% and SDS 50%, you are effectively taking a net short position.

g: It's always the time to buy a stock when the business is great and its price is attractive. I said that in a radio interview yesterday — an interview that I'll post here when I get a copy of the clip.

Rene: The second I find myself with nothing to do... ☺
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