You are here: Home » the Blog » Miscellaneous » Why Ask Me? Ask Mohnish...Again

Why Ask Me? Ask Mohnish...Again

By Joe Ponzio on September 10, 2008  |  12 comments

If you have been following F Wall Street for a while, you'll remember that I went to the Pabrai Funds annual meeting last year. Mohnish Pabrai runs an Early Buffett partnership — no management fee, just a performance fee of 25% of annual profits above 6%. While he's been getting some heat from various value investors and fans/former fans around the web, Pabrai's record of outperformance is still amazing.

Well, it's that time of year again...

PABRAI'S PERFORMANCE RECORD

A July 1, 1999 investment of $100,000 in Pabrai Investment Fund I would have been worth $532,500 as of June 30, 2008 — a 20.4% annualized return. During that time, the Dow gained just 2.5% on average, including reinvested dividends. So, Pabrai's outperformance relative to the index is 17.9% a year — not too shabby for a tech-geek-turned-guru (no offense, Mohnish ☺).

His other two funds have fared well — PIFI 3 beat the Dow by 7.1% on average since February of 2002, and PIFI 4 eeked out a 0.3% outperformance on average since 2003. As one might expect, as his assets grew, his returns began to shrink. Mohnish believes that he can effectively employ up to $1 billion in assets, at which point he'll stop accepting new money.

SIZE MATTERS (Regardless of What You May Have Heard)

It is a lot easier to invest $100,000 or $1 million than $1 billion (or $10 billion, etc). In general, you will find a lot more — and a lot bigger — inefficiencies in small opportunities than in large ones. The institutions will ignore the $100 million buyout, or the $200 million Graham-style net-net which might fit into a piece of a smaller portfolio. Why? I think it is for two main reasons:

  1. They can't put enough money into these deals to make it "worth it" from an impact-to-portfolio standpoint; and/or,
  2. They need to be "right" every month or quarter or they risk losing investors. And in their mind, and in the minds of their investors (and the overwhelming majority of investors), being "right" means (a) break-even or up every day, month, quarter, and/or year and (b) owning the stocks in the news.

I have to admit — if I couldn't see the holdings inside of a portfolio or if I didn't understand the strategy, I'd freak out if my manager told me to remain calm as my portfolio was slashed in half, or if my serious money was in some $80 million market cap company I didn't understand, and that swung 6% a day for no apparent reason.

I once posted (in a comment, I think) that I have a friend that has consistently earned triple-digit returns in futures over the past few years. I'd love to earn those kind of returns. But I don't think I could handle the volatility because I don't understand the system/approach/whatever.

(That's why so many people belong in bonds!)

PABRAI...GOING FORWARD

Pabrai's portfolio is volatile; and, it will always be volatile so long as he sticks to his core strategy. While you or I may not always see the same value he does, that is what makes this game so interesting and potentially lucrative to so many people. (If we all saw the exact same value in the exact same investments, the markets would be efficient.)

So long as he sticks to his approach (and stays away from airlines), I am confident that he'll outperform in the future.

THIS YEAR'S ANNUAL MEETING

On Saturday I'll be attending the Pabrai Funds annual meeting here in Chicago. At this event, everyone has the opportunity to ask a question. So, what would you like me to ask? You can post your question in the comments or e-mail it to me. And if you are planning to attend, let me know and we can meet up.

ON A PERSONAL NOTE

Michel in Belgium e-mailed me a very simple question: Are you dead? I am not; however, I know that I have been invisible here — reading comments, but not posting. My activity seems to inversely correlate with the markets — as they go up, so does my ability to sit back and write my long-winded e-mails and posts. When the markets were in full-of-bull mode last year (take that how you want), I didn't find a whole bunch in the way of opportunities; so, I'd open up Microsoft Word and start typing into the wee hours of the morning.

Please don't take my inactivity as a lack of interest. At the very least, it is proof positive that now is the time to look for value!

Written by Joe Ponzio on September 10, 2008

Joe Ponzio is the managing partner of the Ponzio Investors Funds and owner of Ponzio Capital Inc, a registered investment advisory and deep value portfolio management firm. The author of F Wall Street (the book and the website), his articles have appeared in hundreds of financial media, including Financial Planning Magazine, CNBC.com, Yahoo! Finance, and Reuters. He has appeared numerous times nationally on both radio and television, and has presented at universities and seminars across the United States.

Read more articles like this online at www.fwallstreet.com.
To learn more about Joe's portfolio management services, visit www.ponziocapital.com.
The Discussion
gabi' gravatar

gabi
Sep 10th, 2008

unrelated to investing....why does he have his meeting in Chicago?
n k' gravatar

n k
Sep 10th, 2008
4 comments

Joe,

Can you ask him if he sees any international opportunities - especially in Asia. The PEs have gone way down with lots of net nets available.

Thanks
Jim J' gravatar

Jim J
Sep 10th, 2008
1 comment

Any of his thoughts or comments on Cryptologic would be appreciated.
Mike' gravatar

Mike
Sep 10th, 2008
3 comments

He started the fund in Chicago and a lot of his investor live there.
rohit' gravatar

rohit
Sep 10th, 2008
1 comment

Joe,

i would be attending the Annual meeting in chicago. hopefully we can meet in person

regards

rohit
Miguel Barbosa' gravatar

Miguel Barbosa
Sep 10th, 2008
2 comments

I will be at the meeting look forward to meeting you.
Eric' gravatar

Eric
Sep 11th, 2008

n k,
As a german I could recommend you some nice opportunities over here in Germany.
My top favourites are Porsche (the sportscar maker, should be known in the US as well), Bijou Brigitte (sells very cheap costume jewellery) and United Internet (big web-hoster, DSL-provider).
They all have in common that they are very well-run companies with a great business performance for a long time now. And all of them have strong family owners in the background.
A good way to get acess to the data of those companies is the german version of MSN Money (http://money.de.msn.com/d...).
Let me know if you like them.

Eric
Hugo' gravatar

Hugo
Sep 11th, 2008

Joe,

Could you please ask him wht's is thesis for investing in Sonae Capital (6.87% of the company), a small cap from Portugal.

Thanks
Raph' gravatar

Raph
Sep 11th, 2008
3 comments

Hello

I have read his book the Dandoo Investor where he emphasizes the importance of concentrated bets on companies active in industries going through difficult times (Hotels in the 70s) He seems to have recently applied this idea to financials with mixed results at best. What has he learned from this rough time? What is the key lesson he took away?

On a separate note how can I follow his track records and his latest trades?

Thanks for the info and enjoy the meeting

R.
I got some great questions — both here and via e-mail. I'll keep building the list for Saturday.

If you are planning on attending, I am meeting up with a few people in the River Terrace Café inside the hotel (the actual café, not the "To Go" café). We'll be there from 3:30 until about 4:15, and will then walk over to the ballroom at that point.

Gabi: I know he studied here in Chicago and built his tech business here. I don't know when he made the move to California; so; I assume Mike is spot on with his answer.

Ralph: This is the link to his filings with the SEC. Or, you can follow his trades at GuruFocus.
Jason' gravatar

Jason
Sep 12th, 2008

Where does he think healthcare will progress in terms of membership and profitability considering the potential push for "universal" coverage? He has bought into WCG in the last 2-3 qtrs, and most likely added significantly in July.

And WCG vs WLP vs UNH? Why does he think one is better than the other.

Thanks for you informative and useful blog.

Disclosure: I am weighted in WLP at this time.
Stephen Kutney' gravatar

Stephen Kutney
Oct 26th, 2009
6 comments

Can anyone tell me why Mahnish Pabrai sold Stamps.com? On the negative side the USPS business is failing. However, the numbers on this stock look so good in terms of Return on Equity, barriers to emtry. The growth is just slow.

Steve
Join The Discussion

Your Name
Feb 9th, 2010

Remember me on this computer
To help keep the F Wall Street website free from comment spam, we require that you have javascript enabled to post a comment. Please turn on javascript and refresh this page to load the comment form.

Joe Ponzio's F Wall Street

Submitting Your Comment

Please wait while your comment is submitted. (It may take a moment.) Comments on F Wall Street are moderated which means that your comment will appear only after it has been reviewed by Joe. Comments are typically reviewed and approved (or denied) quickly, except between 11:30PM and 5:00AM (CST) – Joe has to sleep some time!

Joe Ponzio's F Wall Street

Thank You For Participating!

Thank you for participating on F Wall Street. Once your comment has been approved, it will appear here. While waiting, check out some other articles on the blog or click here to return to the article.

» Buy F Wall Street at Amazon.com

Excel 2007|Excel 2003
(ZIP, 168kb) (ZIP, 138kb)

Search F Wall Street

Powered by Google

Subscribe to F Wall Street

E-mail or RSS updates. And it's free!

Enter your e-mail address below

Sun @ 1:14AM | View comment
mike said,

ROIC is not based on earnings. it's just EBIT * (1-t) / invested capital. The flaw with ROIC...
What The Heck Is CROIC?

Thu @ 8:00AM | View comment
Cale Smith said,

New Ponzio Capital site looks great, Joe, and good to see you back posting!
BreitBurn Energy: Playing the Commodities Crash

Wed @ 5:50PM | View comment
kalidasa said,

in correction to an earlier post, it is Sham Gad(www.gadcapital.com) or www.shamgad.blogspot.com
Hedge Funds and the Early Buffett Partnership

Tue @ 3:29PM | View comment
Joe Ponzio said,

I think it got overheated. I still feel like it's a good long-term holding (if the buy price is right)....
Is Nutrisystem Healthy?

Tue @ 2:48PM | View comment
Nutrisystem Coupon said,

Dude, what happened to this stock? You would think in January this stock would be jumping through the roof...
Is Nutrisystem Healthy?