Ask and you shall receive. My web designer got back to me regarding some ideas that have been posted here for forums, discussion boards, etc. He also gave me a price and, well, ouch.
Here's where we are at.
We discussed adding a message board/forum where visitors can discuss opportunities in both long-term holdings and workout situations. I was adamant about a few things:
(I'll drop the price bomb in a minute.)
To accomplish all of this, the site needs to be redesigned somewhat. No major fundamental changes, but there has to be a usability factor beyond a blog and comments. With 110+ posts and 1,400+ comments, a lot of great discussion is getting lost and that has to be remedied.
I also brought up the issue of allowing people to subscribe via e-mail and having RSS feeds for comments on posts or for all comments. As you can imagine, I had no idea how complicated it was to set up a "community" website — I thought I was just going to blog.
The price...$3,200.
Here's my take on it: I think the above features are a nice addition to the site and will help all of us (myself included) grow, both intellectually and financially. I don't mind coughing up the dough, but I can think of more profitable places to put three grand.
Here's my proposal to you — my friends and partners: If I go through with this, will you suffer through some ads, assuming they don't detract too much from the structure or content? After all, what kind of business man or investor would I be if I just blindly plowed cash into a website with no chance of recouping that cost?
I'll let the group decide. More features and some ads? Or, status quo? And if we go with ads and an update, what other features should we consider?
I'll decide by tomorrow night and Friday's post will be the decision/results and a look at the PENN workout.
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Mike
Feb 13th, 2008
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Andy
Feb 13th, 2008
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pennypincher
Feb 13th, 2008
3 comments
Besides, sometimes I actually find an ad that's useful! How 'bout that.
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Dom
Feb 13th, 2008
Really though, I like the format of this website how it is. If you get a forum then there is no way that it won't be littered with spam, arguments, or the traditional "How do I buy stocks" banter. As more and more people come along, how are you going to stop this. I haven't found a forum that is clean so I don't expect this one to be this way either over time.
Keep this place how it is. No forum.
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Night
Feb 14th, 2008
72 comments
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Amit
Feb 14th, 2008
Thanks!
Amit
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Jeff
Feb 14th, 2008
I am a huge fan of the site, and ads really would not bother me at all. Keep them un-obtrusive, somewhere off to the side, and don't put too much. I think all readers would agree that enhanced content would be worth the ad placement.
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Nelson
Feb 14th, 2008
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Jordi Posthumus
Feb 14th, 2008
1 comment
Your literature has always been great and this website is like a small haven of sanity in an otherwise uniformed world of investing.
Anything that makes the flow here easier, even tolerating ads, would be most welcome by myself at least (and I'm sure many others).
All the best
Jordi
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Ram Krishnamurthy
Feb 14th, 2008
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Bob
Feb 14th, 2008
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Pete Koch
Feb 14th, 2008
2 comments
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Dan
Feb 14th, 2008
36 comments
Modern threaded discussion software can be pretty complex...do you really want to tackle something that big? For what benefit?
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Stephen
Feb 14th, 2008
4 comments
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Lou
Feb 14th, 2008
Could you go the donation route and see how close you come to $3,200? If that fails, try the ad thing.
My big question might be "How hard is it to change a bad decision?" If the site were diminished by ads, could we ever go back to where we are now??
I'll still show up everyday, whatever you decide.
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MikeR
Feb 14th, 2008
Also, I would be willing to help out if there is another way for me to contribute.
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Tim J
Feb 14th, 2008
4 comments
http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/
They have a blog much like you do, but they customized a template for PHPBB. There shouldn't be any need to change the design of your current site...
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Howard
Feb 14th, 2008
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GG
Feb 14th, 2008
I realize that people do not want to have unproductive comments on the forum, but people could place unproductive comments on each of Joe's blog posts, and that does not seem to happen very often.
Joe, I think you should try the simple, free method first. It wont involve major changes and it should be easy to fix if it ends up being counter-productive. If that does not work, than by all means you should go ahead with the advertisements...
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Noah
Feb 14th, 2008
5 comments
I second Tim J's recommendation. Also, you may want to look into haloscan for commenting purposes. There are some superior features to halsoscan (although they require a free add-on) - particularly as your site becomes more popular (e.g. each reader can decide individually if they want to block certain spammers, trolls, etc...The best part is that each reader's decision only impacts their own experience - thus saving much of the subjective policing work that you would have to do). Check out Calculated Risk's comments for an example of haloscan.
While Buffett said, "you get the shareholders you deserve", I'm not so sure that blogs always get the commenters they deserve (although so far, so good! :) the commenters on this site have been a wonderful asset).
Looking forward to PENN!
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Max
Feb 14th, 2008
1 comment
1) $3,200 is a pretty good price for the kind of forum/discussion board you talked about...and judging from the current design of the site, your web designer knows exactly what he's doing and is very talented.
2) Like what some others said, ads might not bring in the sort of revenue you're looking for. I would recommend a donation link (maybe through PayPal?).
3) What I really hoping for is a post about your favorite investing/business books. Feel free to set-up an affiliate account with Amazon when linking to these books, because I'd be glad to use your link when I purchase them. I know some bloggers who say this can bring in even more money than ads.
At any rate, I really enjoy your posts and will keep coming back to the site regardless of what you decide. Keep up the good work!
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Night
Feb 14th, 2008
72 comments
I hope everyone has a good Valentine's day, by the way. I'm recently heartbroken but atleast I have a singles-only party to go to (oh the joys of youth.. parties on weekdays).
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Nick
Feb 14th, 2008
I support whatever your decision you decide to go with. The value I've gotten from coming here is incalculable. A donation to something potentially more valuable is a no-brainer. Thanks for everything so far.
Looking forward to many more insightful and informative posts in the future.
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john m
Feb 14th, 2008
1 comment
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Jerry Gunn
Feb 14th, 2008
6 comments
Having a group of serious investors to help evaluate all the 'Workouts' would be a real boon. I'm very sure there are many of us duplicating the research. If we could pare it down to a few good choices...well that we be well worth a lot of $ to each of us.
Thanks for everything Joe.
Jerry
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raph
Feb 14th, 2008
3 comments
could pfgc be one of your next workout?
Thanks once more for a great blog.
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jeffsafety
Feb 14th, 2008
1 comment
As far as the ads go...
It is very refreshing coming to your site and not seeing a single ad. I feel a combination of a paypal donation button and amazon book links may be the way to go.
It seems that enough people would be willing to make a donation to keep this great site in its current state.
As max and night said I also buy books off of Amazon and would have no problem clicking through your site to buy books in the future
Thanks again for everything!!!
jeff
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Buddy
Feb 14th, 2008
5 comments
Thanks for all the hard work. later
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Dan
Feb 14th, 2008
36 comments
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josh
Feb 14th, 2008
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Jason
Feb 14th, 2008
thanks
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Dean
Feb 15th, 2008
3 comments
You have a great site as it stands in my opinion. My fear is that the quality of the discussion is going to deteriorate and for that reason I would rather you leave things the way they are.
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mathieu
Feb 15th, 2008
ads - i'd rather you didn't, but it's not gonna stop me from reading
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ME Williams
Feb 15th, 2008
3 comments
Honestly, I wasn't sure why you had not incorporated ads already. If and when I set up my own sites for my own work I will have ads incorporated in. They won't be obtrusive, but they will earn cash while not detracting visitors with subscription fees. And earning cash is what this is all about right?
ME
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Dan
Feb 15th, 2008
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Feb 15th, 2008
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Feb 15th, 2008
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tomas
Feb 15th, 2008
1 comment
i do this web stuff for a living, been doing it for 10 years.
assuming the guy/gal you are talking to is competent, $3200 to do what you want is a screaming deal. i would charge you 2 or 3 times that.
if he knows what he is doing (and i assume he does), he will actually get the software for free (open source). you are paying for his/her time to set-up, configure, and tweak it.
$50/hr, for someone who is quality, is a fair hourly rate. i would expect him/her to spend 50-100 hours in the first month or so doing all the above, plus troubleshooting stuff and hand holding.
on a different but somewhat related note:
my $.02, take it or leave it. i don't care for the new layout. your old layout was B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L. it was very visually appealing, and very easy to read. from a web design perspective, it was an A . i cant adequately verbalize how bitchin your old layout was. the only down side to the old layout was navigation (i suspect thats what motivated the layout change), but i became very accustomed to using the site map to read all the various posts. now your site looks like every other blog out there.
keep up the good work joe, love your writing, and thanks for sharing your knowledge.
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Joe Ponzio
Feb 19th, 2008
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I did opt for an "Amazon" ad rather than the annoying (and utterly useless) banners. The way I see it, If I can't add any value (e.g., recommending books), then we should all go somewhere else! (I saw no value in "$0 STOCK TRADES FROM ZECCO!" and will remove it from the home page as soon as I find something of value.)
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Scott
Feb 20th, 2008
It seems like you just need to add a forum. What software do you use for your current blog?
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Joe Ponzio
Feb 21st, 2008
Joe on twitter
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The blog is custom. I didn't like anything I saw at blogger or wordpress (I tried them). They were easy to use, but didn't offer the customization the designer and I wanted.
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Khoa
Feb 27th, 2008
2 comments
You can use adsense (www.google.com/adsense) and block out whichever advertisers that aren't aligned with fwallstreet method.
You get paid based on clicks not based on actual merchandise sold. Though I'd like to see if the books from amazon converts for you.
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Joe Ponzio
Mar 1st, 2008
Joe on twitter
Ponzio Capital
My biggest concern is adding value for visitors, not just having ads people might accidently click on. If I lose money in the end, so be it. I think we're having a lot of fun here. (I didn't make any money at after-work cocktails yesterday either, but I had a great time!)
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