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		<title>By: Joe Ponzio</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/98-intrinsic-value-with-short-term-results/#comment-2138</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ponzio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with JC. You have to figure out:

&lt;ol&gt;

&lt;li&gt;the actual liquidation value of those assets (not just what Yahoo! automatically calculates as &quot;tangible book value&quot;; and,&lt;/li&gt;

&lt;li&gt;what other liabilities management will ring up before the business returns to positive cash flow or shuts down.&lt;/li&gt;

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Peter Lynch did say something to the effect of knowing what the &quot;inventories&quot; are really worth. It&#039;s easy to quickly calculate the sale price of two tons of cotton, but what is the proper &quot;value&quot; of two tons of bright orange cotton shirts?

If it&#039;s too hard, move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with JC. You have to figure out:</p>
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<li>the actual liquidation value of those assets (not just what Yahoo! automatically calculates as &#8220;tangible book value&#8221;; and,</li>
<li>what other liabilities management will ring up before the business returns to positive cash flow or shuts down.</li>
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<p>Peter Lynch did say something to the effect of knowing what the &#8220;inventories&#8221; are really worth. It&#8217;s easy to quickly calculate the sale price of two tons of cotton, but what is the proper &#8220;value&#8221; of two tons of bright orange cotton shirts?</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s too hard, move on.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/98-intrinsic-value-with-short-term-results/#comment-2127</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

It depends on how bad the negative cash flow is and if it&#039;s going get worse and continue in the future. Negative cash flow KILLS value and ends up eating shareholder equity (aka book value). 

Also, don&#039;t pay too much attention to balance sheet &quot;assets&quot;. I think Peter Lynch said once those numbers can always be fudge around but liabilities can not. I rather looks for &quot;cash rich&quot; assets on the balance sheet. This is very hard to fudge. The whole point of a business is to generate cash, not inventories or property. If 2/3 of the balance is made up of inventories it sounds to me the company has a problem selling their goods which is a bad thing. If the company is in an industry where every year the next gen model replaces the current one (i.e. electronics, retail) then the unsold goods will probably have to be written off.

But 1/3 price to book is a huge MOS, so it warrants a look. But it all depends on the business.

My 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>It depends on how bad the negative cash flow is and if it&#8217;s going get worse and continue in the future. Negative cash flow KILLS value and ends up eating shareholder equity (aka book value). </p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t pay too much attention to balance sheet &#8220;assets&#8221;. I think Peter Lynch said once those numbers can always be fudge around but liabilities can not. I rather looks for &#8220;cash rich&#8221; assets on the balance sheet. This is very hard to fudge. The whole point of a business is to generate cash, not inventories or property. If 2/3 of the balance is made up of inventories it sounds to me the company has a problem selling their goods which is a bad thing. If the company is in an industry where every year the next gen model replaces the current one (i.e. electronics, retail) then the unsold goods will probably have to be written off.</p>
<p>But 1/3 price to book is a huge MOS, so it warrants a look. But it all depends on the business.</p>
<p>My 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/98-intrinsic-value-with-short-term-results/#comment-2053</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a company has a book value of $3 and its stock price is $1, that to me looks like an undervalued stock price right? But on the balance sheet inventories make up 2/3 of the assets and property 1/3. Should I run or place an order, safe in the knowledge that I am buying with a large safety margin? I should add that the company has a negative cashflow due to its sales slumping in FY07.

Thankyou for your help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a company has a book value of $3 and its stock price is $1, that to me looks like an undervalued stock price right? But on the balance sheet inventories make up 2/3 of the assets and property 1/3. Should I run or place an order, safe in the knowledge that I am buying with a large safety margin? I should add that the company has a negative cashflow due to its sales slumping in FY07.</p>
<p>Thankyou for your help.</p>
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		<title>By: Amit D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amit D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Alajac, I would reconsider what you said about Walmart unless you meant the price is not a value play at this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Alajac, I would reconsider what you said about Walmart unless you meant the price is not a value play at this time.</p>
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		<title>By: alajac</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/98-intrinsic-value-with-short-term-results/#comment-1999</link>
		<dc:creator>alajac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To everythihng there is a season.

The market indexes `always go up over time` because they offload losers and recruit winners to take their places.

Intrinsic value only exists `god willing and the creek dont rise`. The creek is rising and all bets are off. The stocks that make up the indexes have MANY splits that can be unwound. Just because a stock is low-priced does not mean it cant get reversed-split and start back down again.

AEO looked bad on a stockchart in January and still looks just as bad today. Think about maybe investing in the Salvation Army stores. WMT looks good but is probably not a value play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To everythihng there is a season.</p>
<p>The market indexes `always go up over time` because they offload losers and recruit winners to take their places.</p>
<p>Intrinsic value only exists `god willing and the creek dont rise`. The creek is rising and all bets are off. The stocks that make up the indexes have MANY splits that can be unwound. Just because a stock is low-priced does not mean it cant get reversed-split and start back down again.</p>
<p>AEO looked bad on a stockchart in January and still looks just as bad today. Think about maybe investing in the Salvation Army stores. WMT looks good but is probably not a value play.</p>
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		<title>By: Aurelien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aurelien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Night, 

How did your talk with your sister go?  I hope she stayed in cause clearly she will be much happier now.

BTW, I just found this site and it looks great!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Night, </p>
<p>How did your talk with your sister go?  I hope she stayed in cause clearly she will be much happier now.</p>
<p>BTW, I just found this site and it looks great!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ponzio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Ponzio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t look as though that website has Buffett&#039;s permission to publish the letters. I can&#039;t say for certain; still, it is Buffett&#039;s copyright and I can&#039;t publish them here (or post a link to unauthorized copyrighted material) without Buffett&#039;s permission. (&lt;i&gt;Misleading&lt;/i&gt; is a harsh term. I prefer &lt;i&gt;cautious&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;compliant&lt;/i&gt;.)

That said, I can&#039;t stop people from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&amp;hl=en&amp;rlz=&amp;q=buffett+early+partnership+letters&quot; title=&quot;googling Buffett early partnership letters&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;googling Buffett early partnership letters&lt;/a&gt; and reading through the results. But I am certainly not going to be a party to copyright infringement - especially against a guy with such deep pockets!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t look as though that website has Buffett&#8217;s permission to publish the letters. I can&#8217;t say for certain; still, it is Buffett&#8217;s copyright and I can&#8217;t publish them here (or post a link to unauthorized copyrighted material) without Buffett&#8217;s permission. (<i>Misleading</i> is a harsh term. I prefer <i>cautious</i> or <i>compliant</i>.)</p>
<p>That said, I can&#8217;t stop people from <a href="http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&#038;hl=en&#038;rlz=&#038;q=buffett+early+partnership+letters" title="googling Buffett early partnership letters" rel="nofollow">googling Buffett early partnership letters</a> and reading through the results. But I am certainly not going to be a party to copyright infringement &#8211; especially against a guy with such deep pockets!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

In mentioning the letters from the old Buffett Partnership, you say &quot;no, I can&#039;t send them to you and I won&#039;t post them without Buffett&#039;s express permission&quot; but this is a bit misleading -- many of the letters, including the one you quote from, are freely available online.

Here is a link to all the letters: [link removed]

Here is a link to the January 1961 letter you quote from: [link removed]

As you can see if you follow these links, the letters are imperfect scans because a letter or two at the end of a line sometimes gets cut off by the right margin, but they are a very useful cache of information for investors.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>In mentioning the letters from the old Buffett Partnership, you say &#8220;no, I can&#8217;t send them to you and I won&#8217;t post them without Buffett&#8217;s express permission&#8221; but this is a bit misleading &#8212; many of the letters, including the one you quote from, are freely available online.</p>
<p>Here is a link to all the letters: [link removed]</p>
<p>Here is a link to the January 1961 letter you quote from: [link removed]</p>
<p>As you can see if you follow these links, the letters are imperfect scans because a letter or two at the end of a line sometimes gets cut off by the right margin, but they are a very useful cache of information for investors.</p>
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		<title>By: Obststaude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obststaude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joe,

EMVELCO Corporation (EMVL) seems to have a break-up value &gt;3$/share but trades for less than 0.5$. It is a tiny company which has put its money into loans.

Greetings,

Obststaude</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe,</p>
<p>EMVELCO Corporation (EMVL) seems to have a break-up value &gt;3$/share but trades for less than 0.5$. It is a tiny company which has put its money into loans.</p>
<p>Greetings,</p>
<p>Obststaude</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ponzio</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/98-intrinsic-value-with-short-term-results/#comment-1159</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ponzio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here you go Night - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fwallstreet.com/blog/99.htm&quot; title=&quot;Make Your Loved Ones Get It&quot;&gt;Make Your Loved Ones Get It&lt;/a&gt;. I use this all the time - though in coffee houses. I tend to fly from the cuff so I don&#039;t know if this is my &lt;i&gt;exact&lt;/i&gt; speech, but it is pretty damn close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here you go Night &#8211; <a href="http://www.fwallstreet.com/blog/99.htm" title="Make Your Loved Ones Get It">Make Your Loved Ones Get It</a>. I use this all the time &#8211; though in coffee houses. I tend to fly from the cuff so I don&#8217;t know if this is my <i>exact</i> speech, but it is pretty damn close.</p>
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