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		<title>By: Crow3codile</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/62-strategy-review-phil-towns-rule-1/#comment-3280</link>
		<dc:creator>Crow3codile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 15:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at an event town was speaking at i asked him about using various models for forecasting a justified p/e (a relatively simple concept for mid-level investors). his response was 

&quot;i don&#039;t even worry about those kinds of models because you tend to overthink the whole darn thing&quot;. 

to me that translates into:

&quot;i have no clue about DDM, free cash flow, residual income, or other appopriate growth models that better, more experienced investors use because that requires work and i&#039;m just trying to sell books to make a lot of money for myself.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at an event town was speaking at i asked him about using various models for forecasting a justified p/e (a relatively simple concept for mid-level investors). his response was </p>
<p>&#8220;i don&#8217;t even worry about those kinds of models because you tend to overthink the whole darn thing&#8221;. </p>
<p>to me that translates into:</p>
<p>&#8220;i have no clue about DDM, free cash flow, residual income, or other appopriate growth models that better, more experienced investors use because that requires work and i&#8217;m just trying to sell books to make a lot of money for myself.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick K.</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/62-strategy-review-phil-towns-rule-1/#comment-1506</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not read this book, but I have heard of this method. I use it too, but only as a quick way of seeing if a company might be underpriced.

I just use this formula:

EPS (ttm) x 1,(expected growth rate after margin of safety)^5 x average P/E

Then I discount that price with 1,09^5 to get the intrinsic value estimate.

If the price is far below that estimate, then I will look into the company some more and do some &#039;real&#039; analysing and valuation.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not read this book, but I have heard of this method. I use it too, but only as a quick way of seeing if a company might be underpriced.</p>
<p>I just use this formula:</p>
<p>EPS (ttm) x 1,(expected growth rate after margin of safety)^5 x average P/E</p>
<p>Then I discount that price with 1,09^5 to get the intrinsic value estimate.</p>
<p>If the price is far below that estimate, then I will look into the company some more and do some &#8216;real&#8217; analysing and valuation.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ponzio</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/62-strategy-review-phil-towns-rule-1/#comment-474</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ponzio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oz,

I think Town has a wonderful stock trading method for active investors. There are a zillion ways to make money in the stock market, and Town shows you one side of that.

I do disagree with his &quot;sticker price&quot; as a valuation method. His sticker price attempts to put a price on the stock and then discount it back to today - using nothing more than market mutliples. Basically, this business will be worth &quot;X&quot; because today everyone is paying &quot;Y&quot; and that is likely to continue. Constantly increasing the P/E ratio is a dangerous game - especially when it is a large part of your valuation method.

If you believe you can&#039;t be &quot;as good as Buffett&quot;, so be it. I see no reason why people can&#039;t be &quot;almost as good&quot; - a strategy that will likely result in great long-term results. Hey, I&#039;m not &quot;as good as Buffett&quot;, but I&#039;m still doing it.

And I believe you can too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oz,</p>
<p>I think Town has a wonderful stock trading method for active investors. There are a zillion ways to make money in the stock market, and Town shows you one side of that.</p>
<p>I do disagree with his &#8220;sticker price&#8221; as a valuation method. His sticker price attempts to put a price on the stock and then discount it back to today &#8211; using nothing more than market mutliples. Basically, this business will be worth &#8220;X&#8221; because today everyone is paying &#8220;Y&#8221; and that is likely to continue. Constantly increasing the P/E ratio is a dangerous game &#8211; especially when it is a large part of your valuation method.</p>
<p>If you believe you can&#8217;t be &#8220;as good as Buffett&#8221;, so be it. I see no reason why people can&#8217;t be &#8220;almost as good&#8221; &#8211; a strategy that will likely result in great long-term results. Hey, I&#8217;m not &#8220;as good as Buffett&#8221;, but I&#8217;m still doing it.</p>
<p>And I believe you can too.</p>
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		<title>By: Oz</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/62-strategy-review-phil-towns-rule-1/#comment-466</link>
		<dc:creator>Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me this book is a Buffett / Graham style stock selection guide but Town also teaches the reader how to jump in and out of the market when the institutions are selling out, which cannot be a bad thing because this can sometimes occur randomly with little warning or obvious reason.

However on the basis Town only advises on buying into to fantastic business&#039;s with 10 years of + 10% growth rates if an individual was to ignore the tools, markets and charts but followed Towns stock selection guidance he would still hold a set of great predictable business&#039;s and considering price follows value wouldnt be too far from traditional value investing principles.

Town knows we cannot all be as good as Buffett when choosing business&#039;s so he has designed a safeguard for investors to jump out if things start to go wrong and if the entry level was 50% of the sticker price which he says is a must, we can escape without losing money.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me this book is a Buffett / Graham style stock selection guide but Town also teaches the reader how to jump in and out of the market when the institutions are selling out, which cannot be a bad thing because this can sometimes occur randomly with little warning or obvious reason.</p>
<p>However on the basis Town only advises on buying into to fantastic business&#8217;s with 10 years of + 10% growth rates if an individual was to ignore the tools, markets and charts but followed Towns stock selection guidance he would still hold a set of great predictable business&#8217;s and considering price follows value wouldnt be too far from traditional value investing principles.</p>
<p>Town knows we cannot all be as good as Buffett when choosing business&#8217;s so he has designed a safeguard for investors to jump out if things start to go wrong and if the entry level was 50% of the sticker price which he says is a must, we can escape without losing money.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ponzio</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/62-strategy-review-phil-towns-rule-1/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ponzio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not exactly. P/E is used for trading stocks; Net Income and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fwallstreet.com/blog/22.htm&quot; title=&quot;earnings are for the IRS&quot;&gt;earnings are for the IRS&lt;/a&gt;; DCF is used for valuing businesses. Town has a good method for picking and trading stocks; still, if you tried to apply that method to buying private businesses, you&#039;d quickly find that you couldn&#039;t.

It is important to remember that stocks are pieces of businesses. Though you can learn to profit by actively trading stocks (or anything for that matter), there is another way: value and own a business.

If you focus on what truly matters to business owners (and buyers), you&#039;ll quickly learn that net income, earnings, and P/E ratios mean nothing - they don&#039;t help your company grow and your success is not determined by them. In fact, as a business owner, you&#039;d want to keep net income/earnings (and hence P/E) as low as possible so you don&#039;t pay high taxes - all while generating as much cash as possible.

In the end, we would be wise to take our advice directly from Buffett rather than from someone who translates Buffett into a system (myself included - we&#039;d all be wise to read the Berkshire reports for ourselves). Consider Buffett&#039;s lessons in the context of Town&#039;s methodology:

&lt;p class=&quot;blockquote&quot;&gt;For some reason, people take their cues from price action rather than from values. What doesn&#039;t work is when you start doing things that you don&#039;t understand or because they worked last week for somebody else. The dumbest reason in the world to buy a stock is because it&#039;s going up.

&lt;p class=&quot;blockquote&quot;&gt;We believe that according the name &quot;investors&quot; to [those] that trade actively is like calling someone who repeatedly engages in one-night stands a &quot;romantic&quot;.

Again - I&#039;m not knocking Town or his methods, I&#039;m simply reviewing his strategies in the context of valuing and owning businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not exactly. P/E is used for trading stocks; Net Income and <a href="http://www.fwallstreet.com/blog/22.htm" title="earnings are for the IRS">earnings are for the IRS</a>; DCF is used for valuing businesses. Town has a good method for picking and trading stocks; still, if you tried to apply that method to buying private businesses, you&#8217;d quickly find that you couldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It is important to remember that stocks are pieces of businesses. Though you can learn to profit by actively trading stocks (or anything for that matter), there is another way: value and own a business.</p>
<p>If you focus on what truly matters to business owners (and buyers), you&#8217;ll quickly learn that net income, earnings, and P/E ratios mean nothing &#8211; they don&#8217;t help your company grow and your success is not determined by them. In fact, as a business owner, you&#8217;d want to keep net income/earnings (and hence P/E) as low as possible so you don&#8217;t pay high taxes &#8211; all while generating as much cash as possible.</p>
<p>In the end, we would be wise to take our advice directly from Buffett rather than from someone who translates Buffett into a system (myself included &#8211; we&#8217;d all be wise to read the Berkshire reports for ourselves). Consider Buffett&#8217;s lessons in the context of Town&#8217;s methodology:</p>
<p class="blockquote">For some reason, people take their cues from price action rather than from values. What doesn&#8217;t work is when you start doing things that you don&#8217;t understand or because they worked last week for somebody else. The dumbest reason in the world to buy a stock is because it&#8217;s going up.</p>
<p class="blockquote">We believe that according the name &#8220;investors&#8221; to [those] that trade actively is like calling someone who repeatedly engages in one-night stands a &#8220;romantic&#8221;.</p>
<p>Again &#8211; I&#8217;m not knocking Town or his methods, I&#8217;m simply reviewing his strategies in the context of valuing and owning businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Israel</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/62-strategy-review-phil-towns-rule-1/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the difference between your find-average-past-growth-project-it-and-do-a-dcf-calc, and a P/E approach? They are, in fact, two versions of the same basic assumptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the difference between your find-average-past-growth-project-it-and-do-a-dcf-calc, and a P/E approach? They are, in fact, two versions of the same basic assumptions.</p>
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