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		<title>By: Joe Ponzio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Ponzio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 07:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>E -- it&#039;s the old &quot;owner earnings&quot; vs. &quot;free cash flow&quot; question. I&#039;m going to post about it this week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E &#8212; it&#8217;s the old &#8220;owner earnings&#8221; vs. &#8220;free cash flow&#8221; question. I&#8217;m going to post about it this week.</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/20-is-there-value-in-berkshire-hathaway/#comment-1779</link>
		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 22:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joe,

I have a guestion about the calculation of Berkshire Hathaway&#039;s free cash flow. How did you come up with the numbers, did you take &quot;Cash flow from operating activities&quot; and then subtract &quot;Additions to property, plant and equipment&quot;, or did you change some part in the calculation to come up with free cash flow? 

If there&#039;s somebody else out here having a good answer to my question I&#039;d be happy if you&#039;d like to share it. 

Thanks for a great blog!

/E</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe,</p>
<p>I have a guestion about the calculation of Berkshire Hathaway&#8217;s free cash flow. How did you come up with the numbers, did you take &#8220;Cash flow from operating activities&#8221; and then subtract &#8220;Additions to property, plant and equipment&#8221;, or did you change some part in the calculation to come up with free cash flow? </p>
<p>If there&#8217;s somebody else out here having a good answer to my question I&#8217;d be happy if you&#8217;d like to share it. </p>
<p>Thanks for a great blog!</p>
<p>/E</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Gunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone care to comment on the BRKA run-up since mid August.  What is driving it?...maybe a flight to safety?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone care to comment on the BRKA run-up since mid August.  What is driving it?&#8230;maybe a flight to safety?</p>
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		<title>By: MikeR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paolo,

Of course the reason Chanos is shorting MCO may be the same reason effecting MHP&#039;s share price recently. Obviously I need to do a lot more investigating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paolo,</p>
<p>Of course the reason Chanos is shorting MCO may be the same reason effecting MHP&#8217;s share price recently. Obviously I need to do a lot more investigating.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paolo,

MHP looks like it warrants further research. Quick calculation and it appears to be about 35% undervalued.

I would be carefull with MCO. Jim Chanos has been shorting MCO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paolo,</p>
<p>MHP looks like it warrants further research. Quick calculation and it appears to be about 35% undervalued.</p>
<p>I would be carefull with MCO. Jim Chanos has been shorting MCO.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ponzio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Ponzio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paolo,

Check out the series of posts on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fwallstreet.com/blog/25.htm&quot; title=&quot;Calculating The Value Of A Business&quot;&gt;Calculating The Value Of A Business&lt;/a&gt;. Also, take a look at the various posts under &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fwallstreet.com/blog/valuing-a-business.htm&quot; title=&quot;Valuing A Business&quot;&gt;Valuing A Business&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fwallstreet.com/blog/stock-analysis.htm&quot; title=&quot;Stock Analysis&quot;&gt;Stock Analysis&lt;/a&gt;. There are a number of start-to-finish examples and I&#039;ll be adding more as I go.

Hope that helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paolo,</p>
<p>Check out the series of posts on <a href="http://www.fwallstreet.com/blog/25.htm" title="Calculating The Value Of A Business">Calculating The Value Of A Business</a>. Also, take a look at the various posts under <a href="http://www.fwallstreet.com/blog/valuing-a-business.htm" title="Valuing A Business">Valuing A Business</a> and <a href="http://www.fwallstreet.com/blog/stock-analysis.htm" title="Stock Analysis">Stock Analysis</a>. There are a number of start-to-finish examples and I&#8217;ll be adding more as I go.</p>
<p>Hope that helps!</p>
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		<title>By: paolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>paolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joe:

I new to the site and really like what I&#039;ve seen here.  I especially like that you walk through calculations of specific companies and explain your thought process and conclusions - even if you conclude that you would NOT buy something WB recently bought.  

(Members in some other value investing sites conclude that something is a good value but don&#039;t discuss WHY in much / any detail.  Or, analysis is: &quot;Buffett bought at $50 and it&#039;s at $40 now so it MUST be a good value.&quot;  I&#039;m really trying to develop my own evaluation skills so that line of thinking isn&#039;t that helpful.)

I know you have a number of articles on value investing concepts, IV, MOS, etc. but do you have a &quot;start to finish&quot; example?  I have a few companies I want to evaluate further and like your approach and wanted to use a complete example as a road map or checklist for coming to my own conclusions.  

PS.  The companies are MCO and MHP - both are solid performers whose share prices  took a major hit in the recent credit crunch.  It could be an excellent buying opportunity but I want to do my due diligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe:</p>
<p>I new to the site and really like what I&#8217;ve seen here.  I especially like that you walk through calculations of specific companies and explain your thought process and conclusions &#8211; even if you conclude that you would NOT buy something WB recently bought.  </p>
<p>(Members in some other value investing sites conclude that something is a good value but don&#8217;t discuss WHY in much / any detail.  Or, analysis is: &#8220;Buffett bought at $50 and it&#8217;s at $40 now so it MUST be a good value.&#8221;  I&#8217;m really trying to develop my own evaluation skills so that line of thinking isn&#8217;t that helpful.)</p>
<p>I know you have a number of articles on value investing concepts, IV, MOS, etc. but do you have a &#8220;start to finish&#8221; example?  I have a few companies I want to evaluate further and like your approach and wanted to use a complete example as a road map or checklist for coming to my own conclusions.  </p>
<p>PS.  The companies are MCO and MHP &#8211; both are solid performers whose share prices  took a major hit in the recent credit crunch.  It could be an excellent buying opportunity but I want to do my due diligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ponzio</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/20-is-there-value-in-berkshire-hathaway/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ponzio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John &amp; Mike,

I&#039;m having a hard time getting into the SEC&#039;s database to look at BUD&#039;s annual reports. With seemingly weak free cash flow, my first thought would be that BUD has been using a lot of its cash to fuel growth - much like Walmart has been doing. (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fwallstreet.com/blog/21.htm#31&quot; title=&quot;See this comment&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;See this comment&lt;/a&gt;)

I am pretty sure that Buffett bought some 70 million shares of BUD, but has sold almost half his position. I can&#039;t say for sure, but maybe there wasn&#039;t as much value as he&#039;d like, decided to make an educated gamble (as he tends to do from time to time), and it didn&#039;t work out.

Take a look at Matt Stichnoth&#039;s notes from the Berkshire 2005 annual meeting (free, but you have to click that you accept the terms of the site). Buffett and Munger (WB &amp; CM) talk briefly about the purchase. They both seem very tenative - not the joking boys that playfully discussed other major purchases.

I can&#039;t be certain, but I don&#039;t feel like Buffett saw a &quot;fat pitch.&quot; I think he saw a potential opportunity for a calculated gamble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John &#038; Mike,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m having a hard time getting into the SEC&#8217;s database to look at BUD&#8217;s annual reports. With seemingly weak free cash flow, my first thought would be that BUD has been using a lot of its cash to fuel growth &#8211; much like Walmart has been doing. (<a href="http://www.fwallstreet.com/blog/21.htm#31" title="See this comment" rel="nofollow">See this comment</a>)</p>
<p>I am pretty sure that Buffett bought some 70 million shares of BUD, but has sold almost half his position. I can&#8217;t say for sure, but maybe there wasn&#8217;t as much value as he&#8217;d like, decided to make an educated gamble (as he tends to do from time to time), and it didn&#8217;t work out.</p>
<p>Take a look at Matt Stichnoth&#8217;s notes from the Berkshire 2005 annual meeting (free, but you have to click that you accept the terms of the site). Buffett and Munger (WB &#038; CM) talk briefly about the purchase. They both seem very tenative &#8211; not the joking boys that playfully discussed other major purchases.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t be certain, but I don&#8217;t feel like Buffett saw a &#8220;fat pitch.&#8221; I think he saw a potential opportunity for a calculated gamble.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

I did the same thing with BUD and got the same results. So I too am interested in Joe&#039;s take.

Another BRKA holding that looks priced close to a 25% discount to intrinsic value to me is PG.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>I did the same thing with BUD and got the same results. So I too am interested in Joe&#8217;s take.</p>
<p>Another BRKA holding that looks priced close to a 25% discount to intrinsic value to me is PG.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liked your work on JNJ. Wondering if you&#039;ve had a chance to look at another fairly recent Buffett pick - BUD. Just ran BUD&#039;s financials through your model and came up with a value well below current price (and well below Buffett&#039;s purchase price). Issue (as I see it) is minimal FCF growth past few years. Any thoughts? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liked your work on JNJ. Wondering if you&#8217;ve had a chance to look at another fairly recent Buffett pick &#8211; BUD. Just ran BUD&#8217;s financials through your model and came up with a value well below current price (and well below Buffett&#8217;s purchase price). Issue (as I see it) is minimal FCF growth past few years. Any thoughts? </p>
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