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BreitBurn Energy: Playing the Commodities Crash

February 2, 2010  |  Joe Ponzio  |  about:

And the blogging returns. Thanks all for your patience. It has been a wild few months, between market crashes and rebounds, a business “split” so that my partner and I could each focus on our core competencies (yes, it was friendly; and, no, there’s no juicy back story), and so much more.

Late in December, SeekingAlpha asked me to do an interview about my “highest conviction pick” in our portfolios. Surprisingly, it was a tough interview because I felt good about all of our positions. (The only position that had me biting my nails was Jackson Hewitt, which we ended up dumping around $4 when it seemed clear that they would not get RAL funding. A discussion for another day.)

In any event, the interview was just published today. The summary:

When natural gas prices plunged to $3 in September, RIA Joe Ponzio looked for a producer with “strong enough management, economics, and liquidity to survive a deep, prolonged downturn in the underlying commodity.” He found this mid-cap company fit the bill, and while the stock has run up some since then, it remains his highest conviction holding…

For further reading on BreitBurn, you can download these two pages (PDF, 190kb) from my quarterly letter to clients of Ponzio Capital.

Due to the number of sites that reprint my articles, I typically only respond to comments on F Wall Street. For this particular article, I’ll also be responding to comments on SeekingAlpha; so, feel free to chime in on either site.

Click here to read the SeekingAlpha interview.

Joe Ponzio

By Joe Ponzio

February 2, 2010

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Eric T
Eric T
February 2, 2010 at 9:44am

Glad to see you back.

March 5, 2010 at 3:16pm
Joe Ponzio replied,

Thanks!

Joe Ponzio
Cale Smith
Cale Smith
February 4, 2010 at 8:00am

New Ponzio Capital site looks great, Joe, and good to see you back posting!

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g
February 8, 2010 at 12:45pm

good timing!

Adam Gaglio
Adam Gaglio
February 11, 2010 at 10:47pm

Hey Joe,

Excellent analysis of Breitburn, although I don’t understand the balance sheet well enough to invest.

Just a slight nitpick I have with your valuation technique: I’ve noticed that in all of your spreadsheets, you add owner’s equity to the discounted cash flows to arrive at the total intrinsic value. I believe this is wrong. The original owner’s equity should be added to the cash flow of the last year, and then the entire amount should be discounted back to present value.

Your valuation method produces strange results. For instance, a business with $1 million dollars in equity, earning a 1% rate of return is worth more than $1 million dollars. In reality, $1 million dollars worth of equity earning a below market rate of return is worth less than $1 million dollars. Similarly, a bond earning 1% on principle is going to decrease in value when interest rates rise to 5%.

-Adam Gaglio

reasoninvestor.wordpress.com

March 5, 2010 at 3:19pm
Joe Ponzio replied,

Adam,

The valuation method assumes that you are buying a good business and that you would skip the above business altogether.

The equity is added as a “terminal value” instead of projecting cash flows out to infinity, and assumes that the equity would grow at a satisfactory rate over time.

If the business has bad economics, the F Wall Street method of buying good businesses at cheap prices won’t work.

Joe Ponzio
Mark
Mark
February 15, 2010 at 2:53am

Hey Joe

Where can I look up historical charts for gas prices and other commodities? Thank you in advance.

March 5, 2010 at 3:20pm
Joe Ponzio replied,

If you don’t have the CRB Commodities Index book and software (issued each year for a few hundred bucks), your best friend will likely be Google.

Joe Ponzio
jan
jan
March 6, 2010 at 10:18am

joe, any thoughts on jackson hewitt? what were the risks that played out in your mind when you decided to dump the shares? thanks.

April 23, 2010 at 10:54am
Joe Ponzio replied,

Yes! Here you go!

Joe Ponzio
MinorityStakes
MinorityStakes
March 11, 2010 at 3:33pm

A couple comments regarding BBEP’s latest communication with shareholders:

* 2009 production just about equaled 2008 production even though capex was drastically cut in 09

* PV10 of reserves with conservative energy price estimates is $760m

* $195m in “adjusted ebitda” for 2009 -> ~$160m after adding back interest and taxes

* Resuming maintenance and growth capex.

So long as natural gas prices recover in the next few years, BBEP is still undervalued.

Trader
Trader
March 17, 2010 at 5:09pm

Does anyone have problems with using Excel 2003 spreadsheet ? While I can display the default (KO), anytime I try to run the analyzer, I run into all kinds of issues. The first error I get is 438 , stepping into debugger highlights this line. .ThemeColor = xlThemeColorLight1. I removed these lines and proceeded, but it wouldn’t calculate the cells and all fails at AVERAGEIF (which I think is an excel 2007 function)

Thanks

March 17, 2010 at 5:36pm
jc replied,

i have the same problem, glad to hear i’m not alone

jc
March 25, 2010 at 11:19am
Jason replied,

Hi there,

For the spreadsheet there’s a quick and dirty fix until Joe’s guys get to it.

Run the spreadsheet, let it fail into the debugger, you’ll see things like .ThemeColor = xlThemeColorLight1 pop up in the excel VB debug. Place an ‘ at the begining of the line (VB line comment) and hit the play button; You’re OK doing this as all lines of code that give a bug are for formatting. You’ll need to do this about 20 times to get through them all but you can save the spreadsheet afterwards as your ref.

Finally, you’ll have the data in the spreadsheet, and you’ll see that the average if function doesn’t work for the growth rates on the main page. Basically, it’s just saying take an average of the values of the appropriate line if the values aren’t zero. In any event, you’re better off checking these averages by eye as anomalouse years can “pump up” your averages and give very missleading results.

Other than that, nice Job Joe, I’ve been getting some very consistent market prices with it (whilst not cheating), and it has thrown up some interesting price anomolies that could be profitable.

I’d be interested to know if you can get it to tap foreign share data as well, I have interests in none US markets and it’s all very labour intensive at present.

Jason
March 25, 2010 at 11:59am
Ram Kumar replied,

Hi,

To fix the average issue, use the below:

Range(“B27″).FormulaR1C1 = “=AVERAGE(R24C2:R24C11)”

Range(“B28″).FormulaR1C1 = “=AVERAGE(R14C2:R14C11)”

Range(“B29″).FormulaR1C1 = “=AVERAGE(R16C2:R16C11)”

Range(“B30″).FormulaR1C1 = “=AVERAGE(R18C2:R18C11)”

Range(“B31″).FormulaR1C1 = “=AVERAGE(R19C2:R19C11)”

The program incorrectly uses the AVERAGEIF function. In fact Excel does not have a AVERAGEIF function. The function should be AVERAGE.

Add ‘ to the line containing AVERAGEIF.

Thanks for the spreadsheet Joe. Great stuff in this site…….

Ram Kumar
March 30, 2010 at 6:05pm
Ranajit replied,

Hi, thanks for the fix. I tried commenting out the code and modifying the average formula. Now it seems to be working without any errors. But I am having some other issues. On the ‘Summary’ tab the data is only for the year 2000. It seems to be populating every field with data for the year 2000 even though the formula asks it specifically to retrieve data from other years.

e.g

even though the cell C3 in the summary tab uses the expression

=’Balance Sheet’!C2

the cell is populated by the value ‘2000′ even though the cell C2 in the balance sheet tab is populated by the number’2001′

I am not sure what’s wrong. Does anyone have a clue?

Otherwise looks like a great spreadsheet.

Thanks Joe.

Ranajit
March 30, 2010 at 6:43pm
Ranajit replied,

As I mentioned earlier that I was having issues with the summary page.

Here is the screen shot of the FWS Analyzer Summary page. You may need to zoom in to see the image clearly.

http://www.flickr.com/pho…@N04/?saved=1

Thanks

Ranajit

Ranajit
March 17, 2010 at 5:40pm

Sorry all. My techs are aware of the problem and are working on a fix. Thanks for your patience!

Ron
Ron
March 21, 2010 at 8:19pm

Is ‘Excess Cash’ on the spreadsheet the same as ‘Cash And Cash Equivalents’ on the Balance Sheet? Thank you Joe!

April 23, 2010 at 11:03am
Joe Ponzio replied,

No. Though it’s found in Cash and Cash Equivalents Marketable Securities, excess cash is the extra cash on hand that the business doesn’t need to fund its operations. It’s kind of like extra savings.

Think of it in your personal finances. If you make $500 more each month than you spend, you can build up a savings account. After a few months, you have a few thousand dollars in there. Now, assuming you don’t need to pay off credit cards or have any big expenses coming up (eg., a wedding, home purchase), that few thousand dollars is “excess cash” to you.

Joe Ponzio
Adam Gaglio
Adam Gaglio
March 25, 2010 at 2:00pm

Though it’s probably too small for Joe to invest in, what do you guys think about AMS? I do a real rough write up on it here:http://reasoninvestor.wor...

I know I’m a broken record, but fwallstreet really needs a forum. It’s the only place on the net with a readership of real value investors! If only we could throw stock ideas around with each other…

March 26, 2010 at 7:08am
Jason replied,

Hi there Adam,

I was at a loose end and decided to take a look at your quoted stock AMS. What strikes me is the year on year drop in profits.

From an equity stand point it seems to be undervalued, but there is a fair bit of debt for a small fry like this, and looking at free cashflow at around $3 million, and debt costs of arounf $7 million, a further decline in earnings could make the pips squeek there.

I’m not a big follower on gamma knife technology, so I’d have to understand, the size of the market, their current penetration into that market, and where it’s going. Also what are the competative techniques, the knife I’m assuming.

If this is a disruptive technology, I’d have to then understand the pricing power power behind it, can they drive growth through pricing in the the limited market of brain tumour sufferers, what is the limit medical insurers will pay for this kind of proceedure? That info along with potential market size might give you some idea of growth potential.

All that makes too many I don’t knows or flat nos for me to look at it any further.

Jason
March 26, 2010 at 6:56pm
PH replied,

I think the key thing you noted here Joe was as follows:

“their current penetration into that market

Penetration is key. When it comes to tech companies, how well they can demonstrate penetration into a relatively new technology is really key. You want a CEO with some balls. The Bigger the Better.

PH
April 21, 2010 at 8:53pm
peridotic replied,

Hey Adam if your interested in a forum over at oldschoolvalue.com is a great place for value investors to discuss about stocks. People over there know about fwallstreet and the methods etc. especially the owner. Check it out

peridotic
April 23, 2010 at 11:05am
Joe Ponzio replied,

As peridotic mentioned, Jae has a forum and a lot of great articles. Check him out. Would people here actually use a forum if I implemented one? I looked at it a while back, but there wasn’t a ton of interest.

If enough people want it, I’ll have them set it up.

Joe Ponzio
Adam Gaglio
Adam Gaglio
March 26, 2010 at 11:03am

Hey Jason,

Their balance sheet is certainly the biggest issue for me. However, I don’t think the equity number has much to do with the valuation of a business if that business is producing cash (and not just selling off inventories and other balance sheet assets). They do have a fair amount of debt.

I’m not sure where you’re getting your FCF number, but since they haven’t released the 10-k for 2009, we can go off the trailing 12 months in which case FCF is 6.5 million (http://quicktake.mornings...;Symbol=AMS), however I believe owner earnings to be about 4.5 million. They have lost 5 of their 19 contracts, resigned for one of those, and added a new one in puerto rico (where they will be the only Gamma Knife machine). That means they are down 3 contracts. This is going to cause a slight decrease in cash flow generation, but long term, I really think this is just a bump in the road. They have had other years of losing contracts, but they make them up in other years. let’s be conservative and say the company can only generate 2 million in cash for its remaining life. The company is still worth 20 million meaning it is at a 40% margin of safety.

Then you have the Still Rivers system, which is basically a new and improved Gamma Knife machine that uses protons, not gamma. I think it would be better for you to research it than for me to explain its impact in the market, but AMS has three contracts pending for such machines should it get FDA approval.

Now, I’m not one to gamble on whether some high flying Med company is going to get FDA approval, but my point is that this doesn’t need Still Rivers to be a deal right now.

Also, I don’t know where you get your cost of debt number from. AMS has paid no more than 2.5 million a year in interest on its debt for the past three years (http://finance.yahoo.com/...;annual).

-Adam

reasoninvestor.wordpress.com

March 27, 2010 at 5:48am
Jason replied,

Hi Adam,

You’re right on the above figures, I took a quick glance at google finance financial statements for AMS (the numbers that popped into my head are nothing like those on morningstar).

That said, for me it’s too much of a once trick pony with a half trick being dependant on the FDA (proton knife). As a personal principle I wouldn’t go for small medical or biotech like this as the have the habit of being snapped up by the big fish for pocket change when they have a bad quarter.

From a business perspective, I just don’t like the fact that the majority of free cashflow is from Depreciation and amortisation, and that proportion is getting bigger year on year. This suggests that they don’t currently have an economic moat to speak of. This is fine if we’re talking about a net net assets play and we’re buying the thing for less than the value of the quick assets. I’ve still no idea about the size of the market or how many brain tumours are operated on a year, that’s a key one.

In summary, if it’s 40% discounted based on cash flow but has 50% or greater chance of not pulling off FDA approval for proton beam techniques, or increasing market penetration for gamma knife I personally wouldn’t give it much more attention, unless if made the net net asset play category.

I may keep an eye on it though as things can get very good for small companies like this, very quickly, without the market price moving. At that stage, I’ll be into the reports to see if I can make some money.

Good luck with it if you decide to buy it I have less exciting but surer plays on the go at the moment.

Jason
Larry Chow
Larry Chow
April 4, 2010 at 4:23pm

Great site and comments.

I am trying to run and understand the analyzer but am not an Excel wizard by any stretch of the imagination. From what I can tell, the median/growth rate (cell B27) is derived from the average CROIC of the past ten years. However, this rate is then applied to the 2009 revenue numbers which wildly inflates future estimates of revenue. For example, the default KO revenues go from a 2007-2009 range of around $30 billion to being compounded by 23% year-over-year for 10 years, so that by 2019 they are $245.5 billion. Can someone suggest a fix?

Adam Gaglio
Adam Gaglio
April 4, 2010 at 8:17pm

Hey Jason,

Yeah, you’re right. I think the company is still undervalued, but you bring up some great points. It may not be the best play right now.

Joe,

I think you should take a look at this post on my blog. I explain the potential issues with your valuation model undervaluing companies with high returns on equity and how that problem manifested itself in your evaluation of Buffett/Coca-Cola.

I understand that you’ve really got your investment/valuation method down, but I think that you’re missing out by not using a better model. You’re not going to miss any bargains because we both only invest in no-brainers. However, why fog up the valuation?

Anyways, the post is here: http://reasoninvestor.wor...

-Adam

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