As I mentioned in this post, three of Phil Fisher’s 15 Points to Look For in a Common Stock are directly related to profit margins. Companies with slim profit margins often feel tough economic or business cycles more vehemently than those with fat margins. Of course, there is a flip side to that coin: When coming out of tough times, companies with thin profit margins tend to rebound much more than those with fat margins.
This is usually because of the bipolar nature of Mr. Market. He’ll hammer a company’s stock price as soon as earnings take a major hit; he’ll send the price soaring as soon as earnings turn around. In the normal course of business, companies with fat profit margins usually do not experience such volatile results with earnings; so, they’re prices do not tend to move as quickly as slim margin businesses.
Let’s look at another one of Fisher’s Points:
What is the company doing to maintain or improve profit margins?
There are three ways to increase profit margins – increase sales while keeping expenses the same, reduce expenses while keeping sales the same, or increase sales while reducing expenses. Great managers will try to increase sales while reducing expenses.
I’m always leery of companies that publicly announce their cost-cutting measures. So-and-so company management issues a press release patting itself on the back for implementing a new plan to reduce overhead and costs. My thought: One of management’s primary goals should be to constantly seek to lower expenses.
The Citigroup Plan
Don’t get me wrong – I applaud management when they take major steps to reduce expenses. But taking steps to reduce expenses is not a reason to buy. Instead, investors should ask why the company is taking these steps and, more importantly, why these cost-cutting measures were not in place before the press release.
Take, for example, CitiGroup’s April 11, 2007 press release about its cost-cutting efforts. The company announced a plan to reduce expenses by $2 billion – a savings that would grow to $4.6 billion by 2009. I think that’s wonderful. Question: Why did management let expenses get so out of hand in the first place? Let me bring back a quote about Citigroup I wrote in this post:
Citigroup is a classic case of the Institutional Imperative that Buffett speaks of. You have this wonderful investment business, and you go and do something stupid – like buy or start 2,200 more businesses.
It’s All About Balance
Citigroup was so focused on increasing revenues and growing in size and stature that controlling expenses became an afterthought. I assume management’s rationale was something to the effect of, “Generate enough in revenue and expenses will take care of themselves.”
You can see it today with Starbucks. “Open as many stores as possible. If you build it, they will come.” Starbucks management was focused on meeting Wall Street’s growth targets – shareholders and expenses be damned. Rather than focus on its core business and grow in a way that “makes sense” from a business perspective, Starbucks management decided to throw a store on every corner, and use some of the shareholders’ money to branch off into unrelated businesses.
The Starbucks across from my office is closing. Will I miss it? You bet. But it shouldn’t have been there in the first place. The three long-standing stores a half a mile away were almost always virtually empty. Why did management think there was enough demand to open another store smack dab in the middle of those locations? Institutional Imperative. And now, three of the four locations are shutting their doors.
I’m sure Starbucks shareholders would have been better off with that money in their own hands rather than in the hands of management.
Look For Increasing Margins That Make Sense
It’s not enough to see increasing profit margins. Those increases must make sense from a business perspective. If you look at Citigroup’s profit margins for the last ten years, you find that they were increasing, peaked at 31% in 2003, and began to fall again. The Institutional Imperative will only hide unintelligent business decisions for so long.
With Starbucks, profit margins rose fairly consistently for many years. But Starbucks’ plan to increase margins did not make sense, and shareholders have suffered – not just because the stock price is in the toilet, but because a lot of money was wasted.
It’s a lot easier to explain Fisher’s Sixth Point by citing examples of bad practices than it is to lay the groundwork for good practices. There is no way to say, “Look for this, this, and that and you’ll know that management is striving to increase profit margins in an intelligent way.”
Instead, I’ll simply say this: Look for steadily increasing margins and find out why they are steadily increasing. If management’s plan makes sense, or if management is so focused on increasing margins that they’re not issuing special press releases to pat themselves on the back, you might have a pretty sharp management team at the helm.
Additional Points on Profit Margins
Don’t exclude a business from your research just because profit margins have been erratic or have dropped in a particular set of years. Go back and understand what happened to the profit margins in those years so you can best understand your business.
Also, don’t shy away from a company specifically because it is issuing press releases about cutting expenses. If the same tired management is issuing a press release saying that they’ve finally realized that they need to cut expenses, it may be a warning sign in the business. If new management comes in to shake things up and announces a plan to reduce expenses, take a look at their track record (perhaps at other companies) to see if they’re serious, or simply paying lip service to boost the stock price.
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Great Post as alway joe, one of the investment blog that I enjoy the most.
Just want to share that, eventhough, profit margin is important to monitor, but do not decided on just PM alone. In some business like retail store, PM may be low like 2-6% but it could have very fast turnover.
Very fast turnover, even low PM, still could mean good profitable business, just don’t forget to observed that company have a good moat.
If you just look at PM alone you could misss manny wonderful business.
Cheer,
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Hi Joe,
Sorry for posting the comment here, I was not sure if anyone checks the comments on older posts.
First, great website, this is THE website that I have learned the most about investing.
I have a question on your evaluation spreadsheet. I was looking at JNJ and you have estimated the FCF growth to be 16.1%. Wouldn’t it be better to consider FCF/share to estimate growth ? If you take FCF/share, JNJ’s growth rate will be 15.2% as its outstanding shares increased from 2691mm to 2891mm during the period.
Taking to extreme, a no growth company could acquire another company of the same size issuing shares, its FCF will double, whereas FCF/share will remain the same, which is what we are interested in.
Thank you.
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Pakorn: You are absolutely right, and Fisher does not mention this. A company with a 4% or 5% profit margin with high inventory turnover can be just as good as a business with high profit margins.
Trader: I see your point. What I am looking at is how much cash the business could generate, regardless of the number of shares outstanding. Once I have calculated a value for the entire business, I’ll go back and look at the shares to see if the company has kept them the same, is diluting ownership, or is regularly repurchasing shares. If a company is greatly diluting ownership via stock options or stock sales, I will lower my estimation of present value based on my expectations of how much the company will be diluted in, say, ten years.
In your acquisition scenario, I would value the entire business, and then divide by the number of shares outstanding. So, my intrinsic value per share would not change because intrinsic value per share would not change — double the cash flow, double the shares.
If the business was worth $10 million before the acquisition and $20 million afterwards, I still come up with a per share price which would not change.
The share dilution or repurchase policies come into play after I have estimated the business’ value, and then I adjust my valuation and expectations accordingly. Make sense?
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Trader’s post actually touched on an issue I have become increasingly aware of, and not for the better – stock buybacks. To me, while a company may spin this as a positive thing, I would view it as a way to keep the stock price inflated to make things not appear as gloomy as they are. What is your take? This topic might deserve a blog post in itself if you haven’t spoken to it already. But my main question would be is do you have a preferred site to track the history of buybacks and common shares outstanding?
Thanks for all the GREAT information, I am an avid reader of yours.
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Excellent post. We look at profit margins with our own wallets, why not with businesses you want to buy? I recently added profit margins as a vital part of my analysis.
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