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	<title>Comments on: The Workout Forum; Site Changes</title>
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		<title>By: Joe Ponzio</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/113-the-workout-forum-site-changes/#comment-1574</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ponzio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that this is about it on ads. Any books discussed will be Amazon links, but that is about it.

My biggest concern is adding value for visitors, not just having ads people might accidently click on. If I lose money in the end, so be it. I think we&#039;re having a lot of fun here. (I didn&#039;t make any money at after-work cocktails yesterday either, but I had a great time!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this is about it on ads. Any books discussed will be Amazon links, but that is about it.</p>
<p>My biggest concern is adding value for visitors, not just having ads people might accidently click on. If I lose money in the end, so be it. I think we&#8217;re having a lot of fun here. (I didn&#8217;t make any money at after-work cocktails yesterday either, but I had a great time!)</p>
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		<title>By: Khoa</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/113-the-workout-forum-site-changes/#comment-1554</link>
		<dc:creator>Khoa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joe,

You can use adsense (www.google.com/adsense) and block out whichever advertisers that aren&#039;t aligned with fwallstreet method.

You get paid based on clicks not based on actual merchandise sold.  Though I&#039;d like to see if the books from amazon converts for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe,</p>
<p>You can use adsense (www.google.com/adsense) and block out whichever advertisers that aren&#8217;t aligned with fwallstreet method.</p>
<p>You get paid based on clicks not based on actual merchandise sold.  Though I&#8217;d like to see if the books from amazon converts for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ponzio</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/113-the-workout-forum-site-changes/#comment-1534</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ponzio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

The blog is custom. I didn&#039;t like anything I saw at blogger or wordpress (I tried them). They were easy to use, but didn&#039;t offer the customization the designer and I wanted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>The blog is custom. I didn&#8217;t like anything I saw at blogger or wordpress (I tried them). They were easy to use, but didn&#8217;t offer the customization the designer and I wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/113-the-workout-forum-site-changes/#comment-1527</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ads would be fine, I don&#039;t see why anyone should object. Thanks for all your posts and insight, I enjoy learning from them. 

It seems like you just need to add a forum. What software do you use for your current blog? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ads would be fine, I don&#8217;t see why anyone should object. Thanks for all your posts and insight, I enjoy learning from them. </p>
<p>It seems like you just need to add a forum. What software do you use for your current blog? </p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ponzio</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/113-the-workout-forum-site-changes/#comment-1517</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ponzio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback all. As tomas pointed out, the old navigation was bad and a lot of older posts were being lost entirely.

I did opt for an &quot;Amazon&quot; ad rather than the annoying (and utterly useless) banners. The way I see it, If I can&#039;t add any value (e.g., recommending books), then we should all go somewhere else! (I saw no value in &quot;$0 STOCK TRADES FROM ZECCO!&quot; and will remove it from the home page as soon as I find something of value.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback all. As tomas pointed out, the old navigation was bad and a lot of older posts were being lost entirely.</p>
<p>I did opt for an &#8220;Amazon&#8221; ad rather than the annoying (and utterly useless) banners. The way I see it, If I can&#8217;t add any value (e.g., recommending books), then we should all go somewhere else! (I saw no value in &#8220;$0 STOCK TRADES FROM ZECCO!&#8221; and will remove it from the home page as soon as I find something of value.)</p>
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		<title>By: tomas</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/113-the-workout-forum-site-changes/#comment-1486</link>
		<dc:creator>tomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey joe, long time avid reader here.

i do this web stuff for a living, been doing it for 10 years.

assuming the guy/gal you are talking to is competent, $3200 to do what you want is a screaming deal. i would charge you 2 or 3 times that.

if he knows what he is doing (and i assume he does), he will actually get the software for free (open source). you are paying for his/her time to set-up, configure, and tweak it.

$50/hr, for someone who is quality, is a fair hourly rate. i would expect him/her to spend 50-100 hours in the first month or so doing all the above, plus troubleshooting stuff and hand holding.

on a different but somewhat related note:

my $.02, take it or leave it. i don&#039;t care for the new layout. your old layout was B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L. it was very visually appealing, and very easy to read. from a web design perspective, it was an A  . i cant adequately verbalize how bitchin your old layout was. the only down side to the old layout was navigation (i suspect thats what motivated the layout change), but i became very accustomed to using the site map to read all the various posts. now your site looks like every other blog out there. 

keep up the good work joe, love your writing, and thanks for sharing your knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey joe, long time avid reader here.</p>
<p>i do this web stuff for a living, been doing it for 10 years.</p>
<p>assuming the guy/gal you are talking to is competent, $3200 to do what you want is a screaming deal. i would charge you 2 or 3 times that.</p>
<p>if he knows what he is doing (and i assume he does), he will actually get the software for free (open source). you are paying for his/her time to set-up, configure, and tweak it.</p>
<p>$50/hr, for someone who is quality, is a fair hourly rate. i would expect him/her to spend 50-100 hours in the first month or so doing all the above, plus troubleshooting stuff and hand holding.</p>
<p>on a different but somewhat related note:</p>
<p>my $.02, take it or leave it. i don&#8217;t care for the new layout. your old layout was B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L. it was very visually appealing, and very easy to read. from a web design perspective, it was an A  . i cant adequately verbalize how bitchin your old layout was. the only down side to the old layout was navigation (i suspect thats what motivated the layout change), but i became very accustomed to using the site map to read all the various posts. now your site looks like every other blog out there. </p>
<p>keep up the good work joe, love your writing, and thanks for sharing your knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: BP</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/113-the-workout-forum-site-changes/#comment-1480</link>
		<dc:creator>BP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a guy providing a service to me FOR FREE asks me if he can monetize it somewhat FOR MY FURTHER BENEFIT, I think I can trust him to not bog me down too much with ads, so it sounds fine to me.  However, as an alternative (assuming the rest of peanut gallery is against the idea) you can always set up a Yahoo group for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a guy providing a service to me FOR FREE asks me if he can monetize it somewhat FOR MY FURTHER BENEFIT, I think I can trust him to not bog me down too much with ads, so it sounds fine to me.  However, as an alternative (assuming the rest of peanut gallery is against the idea) you can always set up a Yahoo group for free.</p>
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		<title>By: Gopinath</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/113-the-workout-forum-site-changes/#comment-1470</link>
		<dc:creator>Gopinath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly I would like you to keep it the way it is (simple, quality contents)..Donations are better options than annoying ads if you really want to pursue that idea. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly I would like you to keep it the way it is (simple, quality contents)..Donations are better options than annoying ads if you really want to pursue that idea. </p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/113-the-workout-forum-site-changes/#comment-1468</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donations work very well on another forum I&#039;m involved with - Fred&#039;s TDI forums (tdiclub.com).  Many times members will create something of useful (instructional DVDs, etc), charge $20, and donate proceeds to the club.  Oh yeah - direct donations also work...people generally are generous if they like the community and value they get out of it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donations work very well on another forum I&#8217;m involved with &#8211; Fred&#8217;s TDI forums (tdiclub.com).  Many times members will create something of useful (instructional DVDs, etc), charge $20, and donate proceeds to the club.  Oh yeah &#8211; direct donations also work&#8230;people generally are generous if they like the community and value they get out of it. </p>
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		<title>By: ME Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.fwallstreet.com/article/113-the-workout-forum-site-changes/#comment-1467</link>
		<dc:creator>ME Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

Honestly,  I wasn&#039;t sure why you had not incorporated ads already.  If and when I set up my own sites for my own work I will have ads incorporated in.  They won&#039;t be obtrusive, but they will earn cash while not detracting visitors with subscription fees.  And earning cash is what this is all about right?

ME</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Honestly,  I wasn&#8217;t sure why you had not incorporated ads already.  If and when I set up my own sites for my own work I will have ads incorporated in.  They won&#8217;t be obtrusive, but they will earn cash while not detracting visitors with subscription fees.  And earning cash is what this is all about right?</p>
<p>ME</p>
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